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Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by pmiller2 on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:32PM (#13358526)
Why does this sound like the plot to a dystopian sci fi novel? Facebook's interests aren't anything close to my interests.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by imgabe on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:47PM (#13358660)
Then don't vote for Zuckerberg? Technically, if he were to be a representative or other elected government official, he would be obligated to uphold the interests of his constituents, not the company he owns, just like any other representative.

Granted, it might be a concern that he would use his position to help his company, which is why officials usually have to put their assets in a blind trust.

He would still have to get elected first, though. So if you're basically expecting that he's going to be corrupt, then don't vote for him and encourage others not to.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by voidray on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:08PM (#13358848)
I think the point is that he could use his immense power and unique platform to win regardless of what you or I might want.

And to put it in context, powerful businessmen with no prior gov't experience are now emboldened to run for the highest office (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dimon-idUSKBN...) which, as an aside, doesn't require putting your assets in a blind trust.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by pera on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:07PM (#13358844)
Americans have this odd tendency to vote for celebrities.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by grzm on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:12PM (#13358889)
I'm not sure that it's odd, nor is it purely American. Here's a list of just actors-turned-politician:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actor-politicians

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by pweissbrod on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:11PM (#13358886)
other countries dont?
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by 1ris on Monday January 09, 2017 @05:25PM (#13360389)
Well, some don't. It doesn't imply a more informed electorate, tho.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by aaron-lebo on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:49PM (#13358688)
That's much easier said than done.

At the end of the day, Facebook almost reaches 2 billion people. Good luck beating that and a net worth of $50 billion.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by DennisP on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:59PM (#13358763)
Not only does it reach them, but it knows more about them than any political campaign ever dreamed of.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by rhcom2 on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:33PM (#13359067)
Which is a major plot point in the US version of House of Cards.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by edblarney on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:49PM (#13358689)
"Technically, if he were to be a representative or other elected government official, he would be obligated to uphold the interests of his constituents, not the company he owns, just like any other representative."

"Technically" it would be a massive conflict of interest and probably illegal.

Having someone own/control/influence a major chunk of the media establishment and also have public responsibility is a pretty serious problem.

5th estate needs to be separate from the others :)

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by imgabe on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:04PM (#13358819)
That is what blind trusts are for. This isn't a new thing. People who own businesses have been elected to office before. Yes, there can be "conflicts of interest", but it's not like he's going to sneak into office and start making Facebook-friendly laws without anyone realizing he owns Facebook.

"Probably illegal" is unhelpful non-information. It's either illegal or not. We do have a process for becoming a candidate that verifies whether all legal requirements have been met, you know this, right?

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by edblarney on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:13PM (#13358896)
A 'blind trust' would be for someone who has a portfolio of stocks, bonds etc. wherein the individual would not be able to use their knowledge to gain leverage etc.

There's no such thing as a 'blind trust' for a media empire, because everyone in the empire knows exactly who is in charge and who pays their salary. Patronage does not stop because of lack of communication.

Do you think that if Trump owned FoxNews, but was also President - that Fox reporter would feel totally free to investigate Trump on whatever terms they wanted? Knowing that he owns them? And can come back in a few years and end their careers?

No.

In fact, a media org. owned by a public representative might be likely do all they can to back him, cover up scandals, paper over ugly things, and prop him up. Then they would get big fat promotions and guaranteed career progress down the line. Among other things, such as possibly favorable treatment and exclusive access by the political regime.

There's no way to segregate a media empire from it's leadership temporarily.

As for 'illegal or not' - nobody knows the answer to that, because we don't know what Zuck wants to do.

Moreover - for the Office of Pres - it's unclear. Trump has an army of lawyers trying to determine whether it's legal or not for him to keep his holdings. Some are indicating that state use of Trump hotels is illegal. Some are indicating that having his children run the empire would be illegal. It hasn't been tested in courts, and the laws are unclear - for President.

But the legality if it moot: someone with massive control ownership of the media should not be able to hold public office, it's one of the most glaringly obvious examples imaginable. (Aside from someone in public office handing out contracts to companies they own directly.)

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by imgabe on Monday January 09, 2017 @05:07PM (#13360258)
AFAIK there are no reporters working for Facebook. Theoretically, Facebook could hide stories that are critical of Facebook or Zuckerberg or prevent them from being shared on Facebook, but that would be pretty glaringly obvious and easy to verify.

I realize a lot of people get their news through Facebook, but it's not a news organization, nor was it ever intended to be. Facebook doesn't create any content, it's just a conduit through which people share content. If it stops being useful for that purpose, people will use one of the many other options.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by edblarney on Monday January 09, 2017 @05:36PM (#13360479)
FB and Google each have considerably more influence than any news organization, because they own the algorithms that decide what people see, and what they don't.

The smallest change in those algs could influence election outcomes - remember, election outcomes are often very close.

The 'human' editors FB hired were shown to be heavily biased, not because of an organizational approach, but due to the individual biases of the people they hired. Which is why FB got rid of them.

It's just too easy for bias to introduce itself systematically in these orgs - even if there is no ill will intended.

It's hard enough when there's no over conflict of interest, let alone when there is.

The CEO of Exxon, Rex Tillerson, who is now sec of state, has divested himself of all Exxon shares, as he should.

If Zuck wants to govern, he can divest his FB shares and put his diversified holdings in a 'blind trust' as you say.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by woofyman on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:09PM (#13358857)
It's not a blind trust if he knows what's in it.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by pmiller2 on Monday January 09, 2017 @03:28PM (#13359491)
Maybe I won't get the chance to vote for or against him. There are such things as appointed offices, some of which wield considerable power.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by dragonwriter on Monday January 09, 2017 @03:49PM (#13359660)
> Technically, if he were to be a representative or other elected government official, he would be obligated to uphold the interests of his constituents, not the company he owns, just like any other representative.

No such obligation exists for most elected officials, though, of course, the perception of doing otherwise may make reelection less likely.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by richardwhiuk on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:34PM (#13358547)
And Trump's do? We are already in a dystopian sci fi novel.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by rokosbasilisk on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:35PM (#13358553)
Prism and edward snowden sealed that for me a while back.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by pmiller2 on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:37PM (#13358567)
Yep. I have a Yahoo! email. The NSA has already read all my personal correspondence.

Edit: I suppose "read" is a bit of a strong word. How about "processed," or "scanned"? [0]

--- [0]:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-nsa-exclusive-idUSKC...

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by zitterbewegung on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:35PM (#13358550)
We have been living in a dystopian sci-fi novel since 2001.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by brandonmenc on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:39PM (#13358592)
We have been living in a dystopian sci-fi novel since 1945.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by fsloth on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:53PM (#13358722)
Yep. 1. Cities destroyed by atomic weapons 2. Rockets 3. Computers 4. A dystopian one party nation state murdering millions of it's own (murdering en masse is nothing new but usually there was some excuse - soviet system brought state instituted terror to a whole new levem).
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:06PM (#13358841)
> usually there was some excuse - soviet system brought state instituted terror to a whole new levem [sic]

Perhaps on an absolute basis, the Soviets were the worst, but on a relative-to-population basis history is littered with meaningless massacre.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by fsloth on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:37PM (#13359105)
I agree, yet, I don't think there is anything intellectually dishonest in counting human suffering in absolute measures. Yes, we can identify historical patterns, but individual humans are not just playing out a manifestation of social dynamics, they are living their life. The heart and mind are equal in gauging the world - just different aspects of it.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by platz on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:06PM (#13358832)
We have been living in a dystopian sci-fi novel since 33 AD. Or, if you prefer, 66 million years ago.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by bogomipz on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:49PM (#13358687)
Yes but I think the velocity of Dystopianism since 2001 might be much greater than anything experienced before then.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by fsloth on Monday January 09, 2017 @01:57PM (#13358749)
The massive stockpiling of nuclear weapons that began is kind of on league of it's own. The western electorate has been taken on a ride since national suffrage became a thing (before that they had very little power thus no rides were necessary - ditto for non-democratic states)
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by bogomipz on Monday January 09, 2017 @04:50PM (#13360139)
Please reread what wrote. I am not stating that it didn't exist much earlier. I was simply saying that the velocity of it has seemed to increase since 2001.
Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by rayiner on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:02PM (#13358806)
The problem with dystopian sci-fi novels is that their plots are usually dependent on social dynamics that don't capture the full range of human behavior. For example, you don't read many sci-fi novels that have a character like John D. Rockafeller (who used his wealth and power to stand up to Prohibition).

It's worth keeping in mind that some of America's founding fathers were also among the wealthiest people in the country (e.g. John Hancock).

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by Retric on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:16PM (#13358919)
US population in 1776 was 1% of what it is now.

So, the 'wealthy' was a significantly less elite group. Basically, the top 1,000 people back then where the equivalent of the top 100,000 people now, not the top 1,000.

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by kakwa_ on Monday January 09, 2017 @04:29PM (#13359972)
I could not agree more.

I found the near deification of Internet/Tech entrepreneurs, like Musk, Zuckerberg and others deeply annoying at best.

Selling the idea they could be the providential leaders we "need", and that they could solve every single issue of our (quite complex) societies, is just disturbing...

Not to mention the latent conflicts of interest which can occur...

Re:Zuckerberg could run Facebook while serving in government... by junto on Monday January 09, 2017 @02:54PM (#13359244)
You should read "The Circle" by Dave Eggers.