Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4...
by NoGravitas on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:22PM
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> There are far too many people who really can't save for retirement due to low wages for a significant part of the population. We aren't going to let these people live in abject poverty, and they aren't going to have any money to cough up to support themselves.
The history of the US in the past several decades suggests that yes, we absolutely are going to let these people live in abject poverty. Unfortunately.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4...
by harryh on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:07PM
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What history is that? The history that has shows the % of seniors living in poverty consistently decrease over time? It's half of what it was 40 years ago.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4...
by eli_gottlieb on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:24PM
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The history of the human race suggests that "letting" these people live in abject poverty will result in their "letting" a bunch of government buildings explode, whereas paying them the Social Security we owe them will not.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4...
by jessaustin on Thursday January 05, 2017 @06:00PM
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Old people are not violent. No violent episode in history was committed by 70yos.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4...
by awinder on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:00PM
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The downstream effects on consumer spending would absolutely result in this being fixed. The alternative is large numbers of people going bankrupt and that's going to hit several sacred cows in this country, particularly housing. There's lots of reasons that I'm damn near convinced that SS will still be around, principally that the gap is actually not that bad if it's dealt with in advance so that the trust funds can take advantage of compounding interest. But even absent that, the fact that corporate america is going to be Victim #2 almost guarantees a fix.
There are far too many people who really can't save for retirement due to low wages for a significant part of the population. We aren't going to let these people live in abject poverty, and they aren't going to have any money to cough up to support themselves.
It's the same for Medicare. Paul Ryan wants a premium support system where seniors receive part of the cost of their insurance premium from the government and pay the rest on their own. For many people, the will absolutely not have the money to spend on this. If they can't afford it, they will go to the emergency room and receive care (they legally can't turn you away) once their condition becomes severe enough. We can either force the hospitals to care for these people (and jack up the prices for the rest of us to compensate) or we can have a sane system where we all pay a reasonable price and split the burden over a larger population.
I'm not arguing for some European style social welfare system. I think we ought to have a system that comports with the laws and norms we have in place now (norms/laws I understand: people can go to the ER and get care regardless of their ability to pay, elderly folks do not live in poverty).