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Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by wang_li on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:45PM (#13329385)
The Social Security Trust fund generally runs a surplus (as recently as 2014 it added $25 billion.) However it's projected that around 2030-2034 the number of recipients will be drawing more than is being paid in. At that point your statement will become more correct than it currently is.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by fr0sty on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:07PM (#13329628)
> as recently as 2014 it added $25 billion

Yes, but that is $25B out of total receipts of $884B[0]. For every $1.00 paid in over $.97 was paid back out to beneficiaries. In 2015 it was $.975 and 2016 will probably be higher still.

According to this page[1] the trust fund will be depleted by 2035. I know that is a projection and things can change, but to say there is no room for concern borders on hubris.

[0] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4a3.html [1] https://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by eli_gottlieb on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:18PM (#13330415)
We could just eliminate the contribution cap. Then it keeps working in perpetuity, because we'd actually be taxing the people who have money.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by Kadin on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:40PM (#13330612)
That would eliminate even the thin handkerchief of SS being a sort of mandatory government-run savings program, and not a bald faced tax-and-redistribute system.

Which, as you can see from comments upthread, is -- even though I personally don't think it's true -- one of the arguments that people regularly make in favor of SS when they feel it's under threat ("it's your money", "you paid into it and you should get your money out", etc.). Positioning it in this way makes voters feel like they have a personal investment in the system that they need to protect, which is clever because people generally hate having something taken away, much more than they dislike not receiving something (even if the amounts are the same).

When it becomes a straightforward tax, then it'll be attacked like every other tax during the periodic political pendulum-swings in favor of lower taxes and fewer government programs in general. And by removing the contribution cap, it'll suddenly have a lot of very wealthy enemies who have a significant vested interest in making sure it goes away. I would not expect it to last long under those conditions.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by eli_gottlieb on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:53PM (#13330732)
>That would eliminate even the thin handkerchief of SS being a sort of mandatory government-run savings program, and not a bald faced tax-and-redistribute system.

So bloody what? I've got no problem taking from the rich to fund a basic income to keep the elderly off cat-food. I've got parents and a grandmother left who need Social Security.

>When it becomes a straightforward tax, then it'll be attacked like every other tax during the periodic political pendulum-swings in favor of lower taxes and fewer government programs in general.

It already is attacked during regular political pendulum swings. Both Clinton and Bush 2 tried to privatize Social Security.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by djrogers on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:38PM (#13331137)
> Both Clinton and Bush 2 tried to privatize Social Security.

That shows a grave misunderstanding of both proposed solutions to the SA insolvency problem.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by somebehemoth on Friday January 06, 2017 @12:41PM (#13338302)
I am genuinely curious. Please elaborate the misunderstanding. Thank you.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by crdoconnor on Thursday January 05, 2017 @06:05PM (#13332312)
>That would eliminate even the thin handkerchief of SS being a sort of mandatory government-run savings program

It would have been called mandatory social savings if that was its intended purpose. It's not. It never was. It's social security.

>one of the arguments that people regularly make in favor of SS when they feel it's under threat: "it's your money"

This is actually one of the arguments used to try and justify privatizing it and handing over the money to Wall Street to invest instead (Bush tried to do exactly this and Obama made noises about it).

>And by removing the contribution cap, it'll suddenly have a lot of very wealthy enemies

It ALREADY has a lot of very wealthy enemies who are trying to privatize it. One of the most prominent is Stan Druckenmiller, who is fairly open about inciting intergenerational warfare - telling "millenials" that "boomers" are the cause of their problems and that the "fix" is privatizing social security and austerity:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/who-should-young-peop...

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by anigbrowl on Thursday January 05, 2017 @06:09PM (#13332338)
Well we know what the alternatives are; cut benefits or expand immigration to balance out the demographic bulge of retirees.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by thraway2016 on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:51PM (#13329452)
...the SSTF holds exclusively US Treasury notes and bonds as assets.

You're describing a distinction without a difference, as other parts of the USG have already spent the surplus.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by wang_li on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:33PM (#13329908)
I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from as it assumes that the US won't be paying back its debts. Do you also consider that money you deposit into your checking and savings accounts as having disappeared into a black hole?
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by jimmyk on Thursday January 05, 2017 @01:42PM (#13330005)
The point is that in order for government to pay back its debts, it has to tax people (or fire up the printing press).
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by mywittyname on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:36PM (#13331123)
There's nothing wrong with "firing up the printing press."

The US government will be in debt for the rest of its existence and the balance of that debt will likely increase every year. The Federal Reserve openly targets a 3% inflation rate and that inflation is going to come from ye olde printing press.

IMHO, better this inflation come in the form of SS payments than payouts to military contractors.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by thraway2016 on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:41PM (#13331191)
I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from as it assumes the exponential function will stop working in the near future.

I'm coming from the perspective that there is neither a short term nor long term plan to address the inevitable default of the US government, decades hence. We WILL either default, monetize, or sell federal land. Math won't stop working in my lifetime.

Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by guelo on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:58PM (#13329531)
Sure, but US Treasuries are considered some of the safest assets in the world.
Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by crdoconnor on Thursday January 05, 2017 @06:02PM (#13332286)
Simply removing the payroll cap and taxing all brackets equally would fix that:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/05/the-7-biggest-myths-a...

Social security's 2030 "insolvency" was a political decision not an economic inevitability.

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Re:Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 4... by cmdrfred on Thursday January 05, 2017 @02:45PM (#13330659)
>As long as shootings increase

Gun violence is trending down and rather low historically. So I guess SS really is doomed.

https://cdn1.ijr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guns4.jpg