Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by conanbatt on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @08:57PM
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As a semi-pro player I can assure you thats not how you play Go.
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Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by thomasahle on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:49AM
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Interesting. From chess it seems that, for important matches, players will deeply study each other's games and try to get the other player into positions that they may be less used to playing and less comfortable with.
Is this not done in go?
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by conanbatt on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:04PM
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Its more important to smoothen out your own weaknesses than looking for your opponents. A weakness in your style of play is going to make you lose way more many games than your ability to find some weaknesses in some other player.
To become a pro you have to go through insane levels of competitions, you need to be strong, not find a weakness in the 100's of players you will face to just have a shot to become the lowest level of professional.
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by iopq on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @09:17PM
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That's just appeal to authority. Lee Sedol's move against AlphaGo in game 4 could be considered a trap because it actually didn't work, but it was complicated enough to trick AlphaGo.
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by Locke1689 on Wednesday January 04, 2017 @09:36PM
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Appeal to authority is only deductively invalid, not inductively invalid.
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by iopq on Thursday January 05, 2017 @05:04AM
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But it's not even a good authority, since strong amateurs (semi-pros) have many opponents (amateur tournaments are played in the same day or weekend and have many matches), while top players prepare specifically for one opponent in tournament finals (each match played on a different day).
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by aaron695 on Thursday January 05, 2017 @03:59AM
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You never study your up coming opponents previous games?
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by conanbatt on Thursday January 05, 2017 @12:00PM
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As a pro you study everyones games as a mean to get all the latest information possible, but there isn't really much you can do as a top pro to play against your opponents likings: the era were that could bear fruits ended decades ago.
Re:Google reveals secret test of AI bot to beat top Go players
by iopq on Thursday January 05, 2017 @08:13AM
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For example, US Congress has a lot of matches in a day so you don't even know who you're going to face. Only top players study the games of their opponents because they have time to prepare in finals of big tournaments.