Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Increase Ticket Prices

Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by hueving on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @04:00AM (#13307843)

>Very low wages at the bottom, not even enough to sustain a living, nothing in the middle,

This is false. 15 percent in the US are at or below the poverty line. The remaining 85 percent certainly aren't at the top.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by ryhamz on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @04:56AM (#13308080)

You assume that $1 above poverty line is "middle".

I certainly don't.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by hueving on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @07:13AM (#13308611)

Median income in the US: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_Unit...

"nothing in the middle" is a blatant lie and hackernews discussions are much better when they are backed by facts and logical arguments rather than political clap trap.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by croon on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @08:45AM (#13309048)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United...

71% making less than $50k/y.

51% of households.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by wott on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @10:47AM (#13309861)

A median says close to nothing about repartition. That's not a fact that you can use in a logical argument against your opponent's claim about repartition.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by pc86 on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @11:06AM (#13310036)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United...

There's quite a few households and quite a lot of people between $35k and $100k. The claim that there is no middle class is blatantly, provably false. The very, very top has a lot. I don't think anybody is disputing that (I'm certainly not). But there are a lot of people who make a solid, middle class income.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by myowncrapulence on Thursday January 05, 2017 @04:25PM (#13331549)

The share of total national income for the middle class has been in decline for 50 years. The piece of the pie that the middle class represents is shrinking.

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/...

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by devoply on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @04:07AM (#13307876)

I am not saying it's there. But it's getting there.

This shows it more clearly.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Distribu...

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by croon on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @06:20AM (#13308408)

You're assuming the poverty line is a relevant metric. And regardless of the accuracy of that assumption, you still don't offer any information on the income spread over percentiles, nor a source for your one claim.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by hueving on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @07:10AM (#13308591)

The poverty line is very relevant when the entire discussion is about getting by.

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by croon on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @08:39AM (#13309001)

Again assuming the meaning of "getting by".

> In 2015, in the United States, the poverty threshold for a single person under 65 was at an annual income of US$11,770; the threshold for a family group of four, including two children, was US$24,250.

Do you consider this getting by?

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by badwolf on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @10:31AM (#13309749)

24k for a family of 4... That's easily just the cost of an apartment/utilities for a year here in Austin. Damn. :-/

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Re:Basic Economy Fares Don't Lower Ticket Prices, They Incre... by pc86 on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @11:07AM (#13310042)

That's why it's called "poverty."

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