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Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by JumpCrisscross on Monday January 02, 2017 @06:46PM (#13305456)
I'm conflicted on falling standards for IPOs. On one hand, it's unfair for the exponential gains of pre IPO stocks to be restricted to "accredited investors". On the other hand, retail investors are entirely unfit to judge--and prone to be exploited regarding--the nuances of unprofitable companies. My hope is Twitter's resolution will be clean, so as to avoid polluting the 2017 pipeline.
Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by elastic_church on Monday January 02, 2017 @06:55PM (#13305503)
I'm conflicted on what IPOs have to do with Twitter news. Are you aware they've been a public company for like 3 years?
Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by vonklaus on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:10PM (#13305582)
While I concur with above, I think investors should have the option. I suspect that the parent was referring to Twitter having a string of issues since IPO. Over the 3 years they have faced significant problems like leadership change, product, revenue, m&a and this brain drain.

Twitter is an example of a company that has had poor performance and may have been to immature to go public.

Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by elastic_church on Monday January 02, 2017 @08:47PM (#13306015)
> Twitter is an example of a company that has had poor performance and may have been to immature to go public.

What exactly do you expect of companies that go public? What you wrote, and seemingly reflective of a common sentiment, is an extremely loaded statement of what anyone should expect of "glorious publicly traded unicorns".

Unless Twitter committed fraud by not disclosing something, then there should no really no other expectation or aberration in their publicly traded status. The banks, board and the CFO priced the shares and they've been printing money for all their employees using the deep liquid market that all these people fawning over tech companies perpetuate.

So I'm a little confused at what is so interesting about their poor performance. Have you seen the stock market, some companies' shares go up, others go down.

Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by vonklaus on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @07:48PM (#13314730)
I agreed with the parents sentiment but I think it should be up to the incestors. I also agree with you. I was stating why 3 years of being public it was still relavent to discuss the news of the original post.

That said, a public company that has an incomplete product roadmap-- or poduct, shows no profit and has a poorly understood revenue strategy is immature. GM has been public for a comparable amount of time. It is well understood what they do-- they make and sell cars. Twitter aggregates and dynamically prices advertising and monetizes information. It is much harder to understand a new business model and one that is not making money. It was not ready to IPO.

Yes, the market goes up and down. Twitter was a shitty company, still is a shitty company and will be a shitty acquisition. I understood that and I didn't buy it. Thats how the market works.

Edit: While the market goes up and down, Twitter has pretty much just gone down. It was in the 50s 2 years ago and has pretty much just fallen.

Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by hkmurakami on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:35PM (#13305698)
This sentiment of investsotrs having a "right" to invest in privately held companies is perplexing to me.

Do we expect to be able to invest in Koch Industries or Cargill, which continue to be private? To me that's underlying sentiment.

Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by feral on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:49PM (#13305765)
That's unfair to the original commenter, JumpCrisscross, who was specifically talking about "accredited investor" status - where the government allows people with >$1M to make investments they forbid others to.

Yes, that law is trying to protect people with <$1M; but it does consequently deny them a class of opportunity - even if both company and would-be investor want it.

Pointing that out does not mean JumpCrisscross thinks people should have a right to invest in a company which doesn't want their money.

Re:Twitter China head Kathy Chen leaves company by hkmurakami on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @08:18PM (#13314894)
Ah missed the accredited investor part.

But here's the thing:

1) Angel investing is break even at best (I quote Paul Buchheit on this)

2) in a VC lead round, the VC firm will fight to keep out individuals as much as possible if said individual is not a professional investor of sorts (ex: you're Marc Benioff).

3) Access is a greater barrier to entry than funds or accredited investor status.

So when you combine the above, retail investors won't have access to great investment opportunities anyways, even when accredited investor status becomes defunct.