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Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by alkonaut on Monday January 02, 2017 @02:58PM (#13303915)
> At my former American job, I received 10 days of paid vacation per year, and each of those days came with a sizable portion of guilt if actually used.

ELI5: are employees sometimes (often?) expected to work on their vacation? Or take those days out as extra pay instead? Or is it just that it's never "a good time" to take that holiday?

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by amargherio on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:48PM (#13304365)
In my case (at least this year), with major investment projects in progress, timelines demanded by customers with no tolerance for alternative dates (and those demands agreed upon by PMs and managers), I had no real opportunity to take days off without being held accountable for work expected of me during those days.

That said, I used my full two weeks to get out of the office from mid-December through the end of the year, and ended up working through part of it anyway due to more tight deadlines I was committed to without any significant input from me.

Had I not taken the days, they would have disappeared on January first without anything in exchange. In my case, it seems to just be a lose-lose.

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by stephengillie on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:19PM (#13304110)
It usually works out in one of two ways:

- You respond normally to emails and Slack, but don't show up to meetings or other work in the office. This counts as a legitimate vacation.

- You simply don't schedule the time off, and nobody says anything. Some companies will pay this out in cash equivalent (giving you an extra week or 2 of pay), but usually it just "expires" at the end of the year.

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by alkonaut on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:35PM (#13304249)
Wow. And people ever look at a european salary and think "whoa that's not a lot". Well...

I do 8-10 weeks off every year (the proper no-email kind) now that we have the 480 parent days. Together with the 6w holiday you can just slowly take those parent days and make longer paid holidays.

I'm not sure how many more percent pay I'd want to accept 0 to 3 of weeks of not-quite-off, and no parental leave. 50%? In any case, it puts my measly european software salary in a different perspective.

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by orangecat on Monday January 02, 2017 @05:05PM (#13304956)
You respond normally to emails and Slack, but don't show up to meetings or other work in the office. This counts as a legitimate vacation.

That is not at all normal.

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by d4adb33f on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:31PM (#13304221)
I am baffled why anybody would either do or accept any of the above.
Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by aidenn0 on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @11:17AM (#13310141)
First of all, most low-skill jobs just don't come with PTO (paid time off, i.e. vacation). As an example, when I was working retail, if I wanted to take time off, I could, but got no pay for the time I was gone. The same was true if I was sick.

When we are talking about "guilt" for time off, it depends largely on the company. At the very highest levels, usually they don't like having everyone store up a lot of vacation, because that's a liability on the books (if you lay someone off with vacation time stored up, you usually have to pay them for it).

Therefore most of the guilt comes from lower level management or peers. When you are in a team of 6 and everyone is overworked, you feel guilty if you leave for two weeks, knowing that everyone remaining will be working 20% harder. For the same reason you will see people checking their work e-mail hourly while on vacation.

It's a cultural problem. This is why you may have seen some US tech companies advertising "minimum required vacation days:" if you are required to take the vacation, then you can't feel guilty for it.

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by Broken_Hippo on Monday January 02, 2017 @04:36PM (#13304761)
I worked retail in the states and was lucky enough to get vacation time - I worked up to 3 weeks before moving to Norway.

We had times they said we weren't allowed to take vacation - mostly around Christmas, but sometimes different. I had trouble getting 2 weeks off in a chunk when my soon-to-be spouse visited, and had to find someone to work my scheduled weekend to do so. Usually they only let you take a week at a time.Some stores would do a payout for vacation time at the end of the year. It was a pharmacy, and we worked holidays and weekends.

Some places are much more strict than this, however. And some places don't offer vacation time at all, though a few offer more.

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by IndianAstronaut on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:09PM (#13304029)
I just took 4 days off work. I got a text from my boss saying some of our ETL jobs failed and I had to take a look at them.
Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by d4adb33f on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:34PM (#13304245)
That's some serious WTF, unless you were the only person in the company able to do that and it was an extinction event for the company if nobody dealt with it.
Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by forgetsusername on Monday January 02, 2017 @04:43PM (#13304799)
>unless you were the only person in the company able...

As someone who is also in a position like the OP, it's always "life or death".

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by d4adb33f on Monday January 02, 2017 @05:11PM (#13304992)
Makes me think of the Foo Fighters song.

Wouldn't the rational thing be to turn off your phone when you take a vacation or even leave it at the office?

Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by dvtv75 on Monday January 02, 2017 @07:01PM (#13305535)
Why should an employee change their lifestyle while on vacation because their employer has no sense of fair and reasonable boundaries?
Re:Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy... by d4adb33f on Tuesday January 03, 2017 @01:25AM (#13307158)
Why indeed? Given the pathological situation, I would however take steps to protect my free time, if changing jobs was not an option.