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Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by jseliger on Sunday January 01, 2017 @11:33PM (#13299053)
Chinese grey money buying whole apartment buildings for investment, which drives up prices

The nice thing about housing is that one can easily build a lot more of it, and it makes a great de facto investment: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/19/exporting_hou.... The only thing stopping most municipalities from pursuing this reasonable outcome is politics and resistance from NIMBY incumbent landowners.

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by querulous on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:38AM (#13299478)
the supply of money + mortgages matters a lot more in the property market than the supply of houses

you can look at seattle or vancouver for examples of property markets with massive expansion of available units with price appreciation comparable to san francisco

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by jmspring on Sunday January 01, 2017 @11:58PM (#13299146)
No. Those policies are in place because planning makes sense.

Not everywhere should be tear down and build up in all conditions.

How about the French quarter of New Orleans or historic districts of other cities?

This argument always shows up here and is idealistic bs.

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by lazaroclapp on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:48AM (#13299334)
Sure. But historic districts are not the majority of zoned land in any city. I mean, the imperial palace gardens remain in the middle of super-dense super-expensive central Tokyo, as do many other historic landmarks and districts in dense cities (and non-historical but significant landmarks too: nobody is removing central park from NYC either).

Actually, an even stronger argument is that, well, cities need more than housing. You need city planning and zoning because huge buildings need commensurate transportation, sanitation and water/power supply infrastructure. But neither this, nor preserving hundred years old historically important districts, are what people complain when they complain about zoning. You can plan for more public infrastructure at the same time you allow lots of new construction. Hell, you can tax the developers of the new buildings to front most of the public infrastructure upgrade costs, then distribute the maintenance over the now expanded population. People complain when a city fails to do this for years even in the face of strong demand pressure, because the lower the supply the more the real state investments of existing owners appreciate in the short term.

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by webmaven on Monday January 02, 2017 @08:36AM (#13301066)
> Hell, you can tax the developers of the new buildings to front most of the public infrastructure upgrade costs

There are a couple of ways this can fail as a result of various loopholes, but it is, in general, a good approach.

Further, you can offer developers tax credits for densifying infill development since more of the infrastructure is already in place.

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by aorloff on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:21AM (#13299239)
Places that have rapidly soaring housing costs need to get rid of / streamline the permitting process a la trailer bill 707 in CA (which the special interests killed - largely unions because they use the local permitting process to exact concessions). But either we need to streamline the permitting process, or revitalize a serious transit policy (not the BS high-speed rail, but a regional transit solution that makes it feasible to live in Stockton and work in SF).
Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by jjawssd on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:21AM (#13299240)
I don't understand
Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by jmspring on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:44AM (#13299321)
There are groups of people that seem to think that sacrificing local experience should be shoved aside solely on the basis to add more Housing should be the most important thing.
Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by jacobolus on Monday January 02, 2017 @03:59AM (#13299949)
The “local experience” of every young person being priced out of their hometowns and needing to move >50 miles away from home to afford a shared room in a small apartment. The “local experience” of 35-year-old couples who can’t afford to start families because they have a tiny rent-controlled studio apartment they got 10 years ago and now can’t afford to move. The “local experience” of all the artists and musicians who originally made a neighborhood trendy all getting priced out and moving far away never to return. The “local experience” of having all the teachers in the region working second jobs as bartenders so they can afford to live in a tiny apartment somewhere within a 30m commute. The “local experience” of having all the stores in town selling basic items close because the only stores that can afford the rent are upscale clothing/jewelry/etc. or fancy restaurants. Etc.

Yeah, what a wonderful “local experience”.

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by Hondor on Monday January 02, 2017 @06:41AM (#13300582)
That's unavoidable anywhere population is growing. We don't have a right to buy a house where we grew up. Or maybe those kids can ask their parents to sell their house to them at far below market value. You're asking someone to do that, why not their own parents?

The opposite effect happens in small/shrinking towns. Kids who grow up there and move out for a career can afford to buy a house where they grew up but don't want to. Should these people be forced to move back to their small town so they don't displace the "rightful" residents of the booming city?

Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by seanmcdirmid on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:14AM (#13299415)
And it really sucks when more housing is added only to be used as Chinese investments while they sit empty not being used or rented out.
Re:$2T in Proceeds of Corruption Removed from China and Take... by webmaven on Monday January 02, 2017 @08:55AM (#13301144)
Well, it doesn't play out negatively in every city. The proliferating loft towers in Las Vegas don't really affect the housing stock available to local residents (most of which ranges from single family detached homes to 2-floor apartment complexes), and the fact that the lofts stand empty most of the time (it isn't just foreign investors, there are also snowbirds and empty-nesters buying a vacation home) means that they don't strain the local infrastructure much.