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Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 29, 2016 @04:58PM (#13280529)
OpenAI isn't trying to create AGI. They are trying to create "Safe AI" (an impossible oxymoron IMO) and democratize the tools that so far we think might lead to AGI so that AGI is not all in one entity's hands and is safe. Demis is the only one so far that I have seen actually say they want to create AGI - which I why I gave a hat tip to Alphabet in my original post.

Numenta, OpenCog et al... all of their founders want to create AGI, but they aren't evangelical - they are focused on creating companies which can move progress forward on NAI. Which by the way makes perfect sense, that's exactly what I do because it's impossible to fund AGI for it's own sake. In fact I NEVER talk to investors about how our goal is in the AGI space. For a million different reasons.

Seems like it's a space where you can pitch yourself as "AGI", but you have to get your revenue from solving real-world machine learning problems.

In fact it's worse. If you pitch yourself as AGI you'll get 99% of investors to walk away immediately.

No what I am saying we are not hearing is this:

"The purpose of humanity is to build an Artificial General Intelligence, it's the thing that we should all dedicate our lives to because it's the offspring of humanity and the most important thing any of us will ever contribute to."

Nobody is out there beating that drum yet, and it's a shame.

Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by eli_gottlieb on Thursday December 29, 2016 @05:30PM (#13280754)
>Nobody is out there beating that drum yet, and it's a shame.

Nobody is beating that drum because it comes off as religious crazy-talk. I see zero reason why it should be our purpose to create any kind of metaphorical species-offspring, especially when you yourself say that any concept of making it safe for us to share a planet with is oxymoronic. That sounds like saying, "our purpose is to build an apocalypse and die for its greater glory". Again, that comes off as religious crazy-talk of the suicidal kind.

It seems to me there are entirely sane reasons to work on advanced machine learning and increasingly general AI. That's just not at all one of them.

Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 29, 2016 @06:50PM (#13281288)
Yea, well I think that's what it's gonna take.
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by Filligree on Thursday December 29, 2016 @07:04PM (#13281373)
In which case I'd rather not have AGI at all.
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:23PM (#13281795)
Why? What else are we here for?
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by goatlover on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:29PM (#13281820)
To enjoy life? What makes you think there is some grand goal to it all?
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:49PM (#13281906)
What makes you think there is some grand goal to it all?

Well nothing, we get to determine it. According to what you write, your assumption is that the "grand goal" is to "enjoy life."

I say, that's probably not it - or rather I don't think so (based on my experience/research, general revealed preferences for humans writ large).

So my proposition is that our "grand goal" should be to build AGI.

Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by inimino on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:41PM (#13281873)
Jesus, man, step outside once in a while.
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:57PM (#13281944)
I'm curious what assumptions you are making about me.
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by inimino on Thursday December 29, 2016 @09:08PM (#13281988)
You appear to be in the grip of a religious zeal to fulfil the destiny of mankind.

Such a narrow view of life is a tragic waste, regardless of what you think that destiny is. I expressed my frustration with the narrowness of your perspective in a metaphorical way. I am not literally assuming that you don't go outside.

Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AnimalMuppet on Thursday December 29, 2016 @06:52PM (#13281302)
I can't reconcile these two concepts: "We evolved due to random chance, with no guiding hand", and "The purpose of humanity is..."

But you pretty much have to believe the first (our intelligence is just neurons, there is no magic behind the curtain) in order to believe in AGI at all.

Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:22PM (#13281784)
Existentialism says that because the universe is meaningless you need to create your own meaning. That applies to humanity as well as it does an individual.

Right now, Humanity has no "goal" as it is currently with AGI - we haven't figured out a seed goal for AGI yet. In my view we should agree that the meaning for humanity is to create our successor: AGI. This fits into the evolution progression, only it becomes self directed.

Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AnimalMuppet on Friday December 30, 2016 @05:20PM (#13288000)
But by your own argument, that's just a meaning that you made up. Why should the rest of us view it as having any validity whatsoever? Why should the human race decide that that goal is the one they should have, as opposed to, for example, destroying all life on earth? (That's the problem with existentialism - you can pick anything as your meaning.)
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @08:54PM (#13379264)
Well that's my task...to sell it so that people will buy it.
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by kobeya on Thursday December 29, 2016 @07:57PM (#13281668)
Things can have a purpose without a god being there to give it.
Re:The Singularity Is Further Than It Appears (2015) by AnimalMuppet on Thursday December 29, 2016 @08:08PM (#13281718)
They can? The way "purpose" was used in the original post, there just about has to be someone there to intend.