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Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by wjn0 on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @09:17PM (#13275266)
Where would you place "Elements of Statistical Learning" in relation to these, if you know?
Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by davmre on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @11:28PM (#13275628)
I haven't read it in detail, but my impression is that it is mathy, like Bishop, but focuses more on 'classical' frequentist analysis, whereas Bishop takes a more open-ended Bayesian perspective and covers important machinery like graphical models and inference algorithms that I don't think are in ESL.

As a researcher I tend to prefer the Bayesian perspective in Bishop, because it gives you a unifying framework for thinking about building your own models and learning algorithms. But lots of people seem to respect ESL and speak very highly about it. It's probably valuable if you are implementing one of the methods it covers and want to understand that specific method in great depth.

Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by wjn0 on Thursday December 29, 2016 @12:47AM (#13275852)
I appreciate the comparison. My field is computational biology, and the latest edition of ESL has some specific, relevant examples, which is what drew me to it in the first place. I'm currently working on getting my statistics background up to par, and then I'll be choosing an ML textbook. However, your note about ESL focusing on frequentist models gives me pause about my original choice, as it would seem to me biological applications naturally lend themselves to Bayesian methods. I think in the end I'll have to crack open several books to decide. Thanks for the input.
Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by davmre on Thursday December 29, 2016 @03:00AM (#13276213)
You're welcome! FWIW I mostly agree with argonaut's point elsewhere in this thread - very few people successfully self-teach ML from a textbook alone. So whichever book(s) you choose, it might also be worth working through some course materials. I've already suggested Stanford's CS229 for solid foundations, but depending on your interests in bioinformatics, Daphne Koller's Coursera course on probabilistic graphical models (https://www.coursera.org/learn/probabilistic-graphical-model...) might be especially relevant. Koller literally wrote the book on PGMs, has done a lot of work in comp bio, and her MOOC is apparently the real deal: very intense but well-reviewed by the people that make it through.
Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by platz on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @10:56PM (#13275542)
You want ISLr (http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~gareth/ISL/), not ESL. ESL is the prototype for the former.
Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by argonaut on Thursday December 29, 2016 @12:27AM (#13275793)
Not sure why this is downvoted. ISLR is widely considered the "easier to read" / more pedagogical version of ESL. It's still mathematical but is closer to what the poster wants - a textbook that teaches them.
Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by wjn0 on Thursday December 29, 2016 @12:54AM (#13275877)
Interesting, thanks - I wasn't aware of this text.

But according to your link, ESL isn't a prototype of ISL, but a more 'advanced treatment'. The R applications in ISL seem like they might be very useful, though.

Re:Machine Learning Crash Course: Part 2 by argonaut on Thursday December 29, 2016 @01:07AM (#13275921)
ISLR was written after ESL to be an easier to read version. I guarantee you will have trouble if you try to teach yourself ML with ESL.