Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by jonathansizz on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @12:33PM
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According to the US Fish & Wildlife service, wind turbine deaths are tiny compared with many other human causes.
https://www.fws.gov/birds/bird-enthusiasts/threats-to-birds....
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by melling on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @01:08PM
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Currently there aren't that many wind turbines. I imagine the proposal is to have at least 100x the number to replace all of the fossil fuels. Imagine the planet covered with wind turbines.
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by greglindahl on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @01:53PM
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If you look at the chart in the link, 100x-ing wind turbines, if it was linear, would still be a tiny number of bird deaths compared to other sources.
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by melling on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @02:56PM
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Well, we are trying to reduce the other numbers. 10 million in the US is still a big number. We are 4% of the world population. As per capita energy use increases throughout the world, we're going to generate a lot more clean energy.
http://world.bymap.org/ElectricityProduction.html
Is there a reason we need to kill tens of millions of additional birds every year so we can have "clean" energy?
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by greglindahl on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:19PM
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10 million in the US is not a big number, relative to other sources of bird deaths. As long as it's insignificant, you'll have a hard time convincing people that it's significant, and should stand in the way of saving the planet.
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by TillE on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @11:24AM
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This is akin to complaining that your cancer treatment causes your hair to fall out. Yes it's unfortunate, but it's also a crucial part of the only realistic solution we have to far more urgent problems.
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by merraksh on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @09:58AM
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Adding 100x will still have wind turbines 100 times more innocuous than cats [0].
[0] http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/north-america-win...
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by melling on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @10:05AM
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1. It's a made up fact. http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-...
2. Cat's killing birds doesn't make it acceptable for humans to kill birds by the tens of millions.
Re:Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in Eur...
by merraksh on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @10:35AM
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Both fair points, but your link states that cats' killing statistics are perhaps exaggerated, not completely false, and we don't know by how much.
My (seemingly incorrect) assumption would imply that even if we remove all wind turbines we would only make a dent of about 1/10k. It is still a reasonable observation unless we find out the cat kill stats are off by four orders of magnitude.
http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-...
Add 100x the current number and we'll have a big problem.
Downvoted to hell because "We don't like what you're saying".
Wind has a negative. it's just a fact, not an opinion.