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Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by taneq on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @02:32AM (#13269031)
You could argue that a tall person should not be charged more than a short person for the same service, even if it costs more to provide it to them, on the basis that their height is a circumstance of their birth. You cannot make the same argument for someone who is obese, since their obesity is almost certainly a choice (or a result of lifestyle choices, depending how you look at it).
Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by btilly on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:11AM (#13269170)
...their obesity is almost certainly a choice...

How do you know this? Have you done things like looked at research indicating the causal links between gut bacteria and obesity? There has been a surprising amount of it, for a random example https://www.sciencenews.org/article/obesity%E2%80%99s-weight....

I see no reason to believe that having a struggle to control weight is any more under our control than a desire to have sex with members of our own gender. Our conscious has influence on whether we actually do so. But some people have no problem, some people can struggle and avoid a problem, and some are pretty much doomed.

Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by taneq on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:22AM (#13269228)
If we're going to grant that humans have free will at all (which is debatable, but still, everything works better if we do choose - heh - to make this assumption), then we have to grant that humans are able to choose whether or not to put any given item of food into their mouths and swallow it.

Note that I'm not arguing about whether we "struggle with" weight control or not. Some people absolutely do feel hungrier than others while maintaining the same daily energy balance. But the choice of how to handle that hunger, to keep overeating when you know you are already overweight, or to stop eating even though you still feel hungry, absolutely is something that an individual can control.

Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by mafribe on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @05:00AM (#13269580)

   indicating the causal links between
From the article you cite: "If the results hold up in humans ..."

What reason do we have to believe that questions of free will are transferable from the mouse model to humans?

Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by coldtea on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:01AM (#13269134)
>since their obesity is almost certainly a choice

Citation needed.

In fact there's a HUGE industry of obese people making the choice to lose weight (diet, gyms, etc) and failing.

Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by taneq on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:28AM (#13269254)
There's a huge industry designed to sell the idea that losing weight is quick and easy if you just spend money. That's not the same thing.

There are effective weight loss coaches but since you already know their advice (which is that you need to permanently commit to regular exercise and you need to take permanent control your energy balance in order to sustain a target weight), and since their advice requires discipline to follow, they're somehow not as popular.

Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by chillacy on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:09AM (#13269161)
I think being obese is as much a choice as being poor is a choice: you're born into it and have obese friends who feedback into an inactive lifestyle. Escaping obesity is possible with hard work, as is escaping poverty, but its also not easy. That said, counting calories isn't that hard, but it does take discipline, and that's not easy.
Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by coldtea on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:29AM (#13269256)
>That said, counting calories isn't that hard, but it does take discipline, and that's not easy.

Several studies have shown that we're not good in discipline at all, unless for people that it's innate. So discipline might be a factor out of our control too (genetic), and it's just the presence of people with more innate discipline (against genetic) that makes it achievable.

Re:An American airline wins the right to weigh passengers on... by chillacy on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @03:40AM (#13269293)
Yea that doesn't surprise me, though studies also say that we're strongly influenced by our peers and are largely creatures of habit, so there are definitely tricks around this like hanging out with others into fitness or even lurking on a fitness subreddit.