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Re:The threat of technological unemployment by visarga on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @01:47PM (#13265093)
> Going from "this technology is getting good" to "soon it will own 90% of the market" is a pretty huge leap and bold prediction. Tech readiness is only one small factor

The need to replace truck fleets would be one reason why it won't happen overnight. It would take time to replace millions of expensive vehicles.

Re:The threat of technological unemployment by danielweber on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @02:14PM (#13265360)
A career lasts 40 years. Once the technology is good enough to deploy in one instance, how long until it is dominant?

Say it takes 10 years to replace most of the fleet. That still means someone driving a truck at age 25 will be facing an extremely different job situation at age 35.

We could use the tech to enhance the worker instead of replacing the worker, though. Right now, drivers are limited in the number of hours they can do in a day, for safety reasons. If drivers become mobile managers, there is still a need for them. Still less of them, obviously, but it does mean we don't suddenly get rid of 80% of their job openings in 10 or 20 years.

Re:The threat of technological unemployment by Kadin on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @02:05PM (#13265258)
Otto's self driving truck system is designed as an add-on package for existing semi tractors, not as something that has to be built-in by the OEM.

Passenger cars have a short enough lifespan that I doubt those sort of retrofits will be especially common.

Re:The threat of technological unemployment by BookmarkSaver on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @02:14PM (#13265363)
I agree that it won't happen overnight, but I would guess that with really popular models it will be very cost effective to retrofit the trucks with an automated system.

I think it comes down to what you mean by "soon". I would be surprised if in 10 years a huge number of trucking jobs hadn't already been replaced, and in 20 years they will almost gone outside of a few niches.

Re:The threat of technological unemployment by agildehaus on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @02:50PM (#13265697)
It will take time, but when the incentive is "you don't have to pay drivers anymore" ... it will happen fairly quick.
Re:The threat of technological unemployment by moxious on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @04:06PM (#13266176)
You're assuming no countering disincentive that would offset those savings. How much will the operators pay for software liability license, so if their truck does crash, someone gets paid out? How much will the annual software updates cost?

These sorts of things get waved off with tech enthusiasm as things that will just somehow get figured out; this leads to a straw man where the real costs of human drivers today are compared against the hypothetical, unknown, but believed to be effectively zero costs of the glittering future.

Not a very fair comparison I'd say, comparing fantasy to reality. We'll see how it shakes out in the years to come.

Re:The threat of technological unemployment by agildehaus on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @04:18PM (#13266263)
> How much will the operators pay for software liability license, so if their truck does crash, someone gets paid out?

Much less than what they're paying now for insurance covering their human drivers.

> How much will the annual software updates cost?

Less than their human drivers cost, if anything at all.

Re:The threat of technological unemployment by moxious on Wednesday December 28, 2016 @11:21AM (#13271494)
These answers are the speculative tech-positive viewpoint that is the conventional wisdom on HN. But since this hasn't happened yet, I think it's important for you to acknowledge that these are projections based on no actual data. They should be afforded an appropriate level of credulity.
Re:The threat of technological unemployment by awinter-py on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @02:01PM (#13265230)
Unless the conversion costs less than the annual cost of a human worker. For example, just picking randomly, a truck driver.