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Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by matthiaskramm on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @06:38PM (#1322861)
Investment risk. Scribd is a small company, and putting a whole battalion of developers on a PDF to HTML5 conversion for half a year without even knowing whether that'll turn out to be possible (as in, good enough for 10,000,000 documents) is a scary move. That being said, check out our upcoming engineering blog for technical details about how we convert to HTML5 now!
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by axod on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @06:41PM (#1322873)
"putting a whole battalion of developers on a PDF to HTML5 conversion for half a year without even knowing whether that'll turn out to be possible"

The Google pdf viewer seems good enough to me. It'll be interesting to see what you can improve on that.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by bobbyi on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @06:58PM (#1322925)
Actual pdf readers like Preview seem good enough to me. I don't understand why I would need to take a PDF and view it as HTML.

I do see the value for formats like .pptx where I may not have a reader, but PDF is already a "lowest common denominator" like HTML.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by sesqu on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @07:13PM (#1322959)
I've occasionally been thankful for Google's PDF conversion. PDF isn't a lowest common denominator - there are computers without that capability (kiosks and terminals, for example). What's more, PDF viewers can be pretty heavy, especially for fancy documents, and their browser integration tends to suck even when it exists.

Sure, I like reading my PDFs with evince, but sometimes HTML is just preferrable.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by Kadin on Thursday May 06, 2010 @01:48PM (#1324999)
Downloading a separate file and then launching an external application is obnoxious, particularly when it creates a new window. I know a lot of people who actively avoid and refuse to click on PDF links for that reason.

I've always thought that the best solution would be for browsers to just include PDF rendering support alongside HTML. PDF is a popular enough format on the web that it should really be handled by the browser as a core feature, not by some add-on or external application. I really liked Apple's Safari for this reason (although I dumped it for Firefox because of AdBlockPlus).

Done right it would seem like perhaps some of the higher-level rendering layers of the browser could be reused, regardless of whether the underlying content was PDF or HTML. (In fact isn't this how Safari works, with Quartz?)

No offense to Scribd, but I'd like to see the need for their service go away by in-browser support for progressively-downloaded PDFs.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by stanleydrew on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @07:19PM (#1322972)
In ChromeOS you'll need some kind of pdf viewer that runs in the browser. And not needing a native app is pretty nice in general in terms of bookmarking possibilities.
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by mbreese on Thursday May 06, 2010 @01:30AM (#1323656)
Doesn't ChromeOS load PDFs into the Google PDF viewer?
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by earl on Thursday May 06, 2010 @03:35AM (#1323826)
Well, two of many reasons are adobe is run by morons incapable of making a secure or performant product. Unless you missed the wave of acrobat exploits? 'Cause my gf's laptop sure didn't :(

Removing yet another plugin from your browser shrinks the attack surface, and as a side benefit, reduces use of one of the worst IMO bits of web tech.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by matthiaskramm on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @06:50PM (#1322912)
stay tuned.
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by earl on Thursday May 06, 2010 @03:32AM (#1323814)
html >> images
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by Anon84 on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @07:46PM (#1323033)
The change isn't as great as it seems (at least at first). Right now their setup probably looks something like this:

PDF -> Internal Representation -> Flash viewer

In principle they should only need to change to

PDF -> Internal Representation -> HTML5 viewer

That alone should make a huge different in terms of time needed.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by tyler on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @07:58PM (#1323059)
Most things certainly are simple in principle.
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by Anon84 on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @08:44PM (#1323171)
I'm not saying it's trivial... just that they are not exactly restarting from scratch.

Never having done something similar myself, I would expect the hardest part to be correctly parsing the original PDFs and dealing with the varyiaty of PDF generators out there.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by krishna2 on Thursday May 06, 2010 @12:23AM (#1323548)
Small in size but still one of the top200 (150?) web sites.
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by earl on Thursday May 06, 2010 @03:31AM (#1323813)
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by benatkin on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @06:45PM (#1322891)
I'll believe it when I see it.

To me, this feels like desperation. It seems a little late to stop depending solely on Flash. Also, why not say that you're moving after you partially move? The companies I admire the most brag about distant features the least.

Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by tyler on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @06:48PM (#1322903)
"Distant features"? It's launching tomorrow.
Re:Scribd CTO: “We Are Scrapping Flash And Betting The Compa... by patrickgzill on Wednesday May 05, 2010 @10:48PM (#1323369)
Yes, but that is 86400 seconds from now ..