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Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by pilsetnieks on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @11:58AM (#13221590)
> it will be nowhere near as fast as the ones in current MPBr unless you pay top dollar

Even with top dollar you cannot squeeze more than ~550 MB/s out of SATA3, compared to the ostensibly 2+ GB/s in the new MBPrs with NVMe.

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by 72deluxe on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @12:22PM (#13221815)
Heh I have recently upgraded to a SATA3 SSD in my 2012 MBP and was amazed at the speed. The NVMe ones seem insane.

Anything is better than the 5200rpm Toshiba drive my MacBook came with, that's for sure!!

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by HillaryBriss on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:31PM (#13226086)
yes. totally.

i'm surprised Apple even offers mechanical hard drives in their Macs any more. they're soooooooo slow. they make the whole machine feel like a wet sponge.

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by pilsetnieks on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @05:53AM (#13228189)
Storage. 1TB+ SSDs are still quite pricey.
Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by HillaryBriss on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @12:16PM (#13230765)
But, for the system drive, the drive that's inside the machine where the OS is installed and loaded from, the drive that cannot be (easily) replaced on most Macs -- why, nowadays, would anyone buying a new computer they're going to use for several years want that drive to be an old-school, 200 MB/s HDD?

Apple still gives users the option to buy the slow system drive (i.e. shoot themselves in the foot) rather than forcing them to ante up for (at least a 256GB) flash system drive.

But, given it's Apple we're talking about, I find it really, really weird. Historically, Apple is notorious for denying the user these kinds of choices (e.g. a floppy disk drive, optical drive, user upgradeable RAM ...)

But slow system drives? Apple lets people buy those all day long. I don't get it.

Re:How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists by 72deluxe on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @05:24PM (#13233194)
I bought a 1TB SATA Samsung 850 Evo for my MacBook and it is like a new machine. So so so slow before this.