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Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by anexprogrammer on Monday December 19, 2016 @11:58PM (#13217572)
Probably mainly smoke and mirrors. I've lost count of the number of UK stories where some terrorist or criminal was known to authorities, or already on a watch list. They never manage to catch or prevent despite all these huge surveillance programmes. Then the news almost inevitably follows up that they've found out there were public exchanges of messages on Twitter 2 days before the incident or some such.

It would be comical were it not for people dying.

My take is it's utterly irrelevant. The chance, even with Daish and current events, of dying in a terrorist attack are less than by falling off a ladder. Something like 20 times less. It's firmly down there with the silly and odd causes of death. I see no war on ladders.

Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by Fnoord on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @04:47AM (#13218598)
> Probably mainly smoke and mirrors.

That is because CCTV does not directly decrease crime. Instead, it tries to increase the chance the alleged criminal gets seen, profiled, and caught later on which means the alleged criminal won't be able to commit crime for a while due to jail time.

Mass surveillance and CCTV are notoriously bad at avoiding crime or terrorism from happening on the short term though, and as long as there is incentive to either, they'll remain happening.

Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by anexprogrammer on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @07:49AM (#13219343)
No idea why you're being downvoted, you're completely right [1]. CCTV does nothing to reduce crime, and can lull people into a false sense of security - as the GP illustrates. It perhaps increases convictions. To reduce we'd need Police near enough to react quickly. Visible Police on the beat again would probably have other societal benefits.

But they keep rolling out the security blanket. Someone is making a mint selling CCTV.

It would be better if we stopped letting the terrorists win repeatedly by completely changing our society in response.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/aug/17/why-cctv-...

Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by throwaway1892 on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @04:37AM (#13218546)
> ... the number of UK stories where some terrorist or criminal was known to authorities, or already on a watch list

It was the case of most of the terrorists who've attacked France those last years.

Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by sandworm101 on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @12:09AM (#13217614)
>> I see no war on ladders.

Have you tried to buy a large ladder lately? They come covered in so many warning stickers you'd think you were buying pesticide. Snowmobiles come with fewer warnings.

Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by rasz_pl on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @06:46AM (#13219017)
in US maybe, the land of "do not swallow" stickers on baseball bats
Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by jawbone3 on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @02:13AM (#13218066)
You are comparing the invasion of afganistan with warning stickers, just clarifying.
Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by Normal_gaussian on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @08:00AM (#13219414)
And what an enlightening comparison it is.

Whilst one has had significantly more resources spent on it than the other, you do have to wonder - would spending the same on ladders make much difference? Is the ladder safety market saturated and the invading foreign nations not?

Re:A World of Surveillance Doesn’t Always Help to Catch a Thief by lostboys67 on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @07:03AM (#13219087)
"known to " can mean anything from:

They went to Syria and stared in a beheading video

to:

Went to a couple of sermons by a dodgy cleric