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Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by digi_owl on Monday December 19, 2016 @10:49AM (#13212101)
Thing is, back around the early days of Android Google offered a online dev environment that could sideload APKs to phones. I think it was based on Scratch.

But they have since handed the whole project over to MIT.

Frankly Android could have been a computer in our pockets, and i get the feel Rubin wanted to take it in that direction.

But around the time of 3.x-4.0 there was pressure from elsewhere in Google to take in a more iOS direction. We see this with the introduction of music and video into the then named Android Marketplace (later renamed Google Play).

And then there was the whole push towards ChromeOS as the choice of businesses, complete with Citrix being a launch day demo.

Only in the last few years have Google done an about face regading Android. Both with Android apps coming to ChromeOS, and with various functionality being added to Android to make it more business friendly.

Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by taeric on Monday December 19, 2016 @12:19PM (#13213014)
I see I also missed you comment on internalizing concepts. I think that is absolutely true. Also at the language level. There are a lot of things "internalized" by higher level languages.

To the point of android, though. I am getting my kids a Kano computer. Hoping that line will get them interested in the nuts and bolts, as it were. I need to be better and build things with them. :(

Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by digi_owl on Monday December 19, 2016 @01:54PM (#13213908)
Looks like a nifty kit indeed.
Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by godmodus on Monday December 19, 2016 @11:02AM (#13212224)
I have my hopes up for Nokia and Microsoft - win10 devices are more or less a pocket PC. When Linux Support gets properly implemented into Windows, a brilliant new era will dawn.

Not to mention c# is a beautiful language.

Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by digi_owl on Monday December 19, 2016 @11:06AM (#13212268)
> When Linux Support gets properly implemented into Windows, a brilliant new era will dawn.

Dream on. MS will implement just enough for cloud devs to use Windows as their dev environment, with a clear push towards Azure as the cloud of choice.

Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by godmodus on Monday December 19, 2016 @11:44AM (#13212645)
We'll see how it'll get bootstrapped when it happens. It takes an optimist and a pessimist for balance :)
Re:Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style? ... by digi_owl on Monday December 19, 2016 @11:44AM (#13212649)
Touche, sir.