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Re:The worrying implications of China's social-credit project by pavlov on Saturday December 17, 2016 @05:21PM (#13203023)
The very link you posted refers to the problems that human rights lawyers face in China. They are estimated to number only a few dozen, in a country of 1.3 billion citizens. (This info is right there in your link!)

It's absurd to compare this environment to the ACLU.

In 1986, Gorbachev released Andrei Sakharov from internal exile. I guess you would have been saying: "That's it, the West can stop harping about human rights in the Soviet Union, it's all equal now"...?

Re:The worrying implications of China's social-credit project by zhemao on Saturday December 17, 2016 @05:53PM (#13203199)
And besides their small number, they are also often jailed and abused for taking on cases (mentioned in the article itself). There was a high profile case involving Chen Guancheng, who escaped house arrest and sought refuge in the US embassy. He was granted asylum and now lives in the US.

To my knowledge, there has not been a case of an ACLU lawyer being jailed or harassed simply for taking on a case.

Re:The worrying implications of China's social-credit project by xnull2guest on Saturday December 17, 2016 @05:55PM (#13203207)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitong_Law_Firm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Human_Rights_Lawyers_Con...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Constitution_Initiative

You read the first Wikipedia article looking for reasons to dismiss it.

There's plenty of Civil Rights activity in China. It's a myopic American view that there is none and "no true Scotsman" all the civil rights law firms, attorneys and court cases should be dismissed out of hand for consideration.

In China, most disputes are resolved without institutional involvement whatsoever. Off the bat it's difficult to point to institutions and institutional processes and claim China doesn't have equivalence.

You are right. China is different. But it's not some wasteland dystopia from a fantasy novel. It has a wide and active civil society. That civil society is uniquely Chinese, and frankly, it's exciting to see it blossom as it has been since the 80s.

The most shocking thing is that the United States thinks China and Chinese society is a country to compare itself to. The ignorance of these comparisons is nearly as shocking.

Re:The worrying implications of China's social-credit project by pavlov on Saturday December 17, 2016 @06:17PM (#13203320)
Again, I can't believe you're bringing out these links as evidence of a healthy civil society in China. All the events described indicate active long-term persecution by the government. (Why do you think China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group is based in Hong Kong?)

Your argument could have been made about the Soviet Union in the late '80s. I grew up in Finland, and I remember people actually saying that: defending the Soviet human rights record, saying Russia is different, and pretending that a sprinkling of perestroika has fixed everything. It was complete bullshit then, and it's the same today in China.

Re:The worrying implications of China's social-credit project by jimnotgym on Saturday December 17, 2016 @08:51PM (#13203889)
>Why do you think China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group is based in Hong Kong?

Because Hong Kong is part of China, probably?