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Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by api on Thursday December 15, 2016 @08:38PM (#13190389)
... until import tariffs with China end the solar revolution here.
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by toomuchtodo on Thursday December 15, 2016 @09:46PM (#13190676)
Lots of places around the world not the US. Those buyers will continue to drag the price of solar down.

The US election doesn't mean a thing for the energy market. We'll be dragged along with the rest of the world by market forces.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by jacobolus on Thursday December 15, 2016 @10:07PM (#13190766)
Furthermore, there is a world market for other energy sources, which are all somewhat fungible. So if solar takes off around the world, fossil fuel demand will slack and prices will continue to drop making their extraction less viable.

Hopefully we also start to see some significant replacement of fossil fuels used for transportation.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by sitkack on Thursday December 15, 2016 @10:57PM (#13190952)
We need to use solar to pay for the extraction and transportation of fossil fuels.
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by throwayawnotime on Friday December 16, 2016 @03:24AM (#13191867)
LOL, very good point. Maybe for the back of the classroom you could clarify?

It is clear that the calculation or real EROEI is very hard when you start counting all externalities and dependencies.

Do you have any good sources of anylsis on this that you could recommend?

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by john_reel on Sunday December 18, 2016 @12:35AM (#13204519)
What do those terms mean?
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by vog on Friday December 16, 2016 @12:57AM (#13191365)
I don't get that. Could you elaborate?
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by noonespecial on Thursday December 15, 2016 @10:35PM (#13190854)
I'll answer the implied and straight up admit that I was pissed off by the presidential election in the USA this year.

But the doom and gloom about it is almost as bad. The great thing about the USA is that in 4 years, if this guy sucks, we can change our minds again and get back to business.

This too shall pass.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by mpweiher on Friday December 16, 2016 @03:03AM (#13191801)
In principle, yes. But...

...that assumes elections work, which is becoming more and more dubious. Remember that he actually lost this election by popular vote, just like Congress would be in Democratic hands if it weren't for gerrymandering. And I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to assume that this president will be even more brazen about undermining the election process than anything that's come before.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by venomsnake on Friday December 16, 2016 @06:31AM (#13192536)
The popular vote does not matter. 1-2000000 of the popular votes could have just moved from NY, SF and LA to the rust belt and this would have made all the difference.

The big corporations with democratic leaning CEO could have moved investment and jobs there.

You could have moved a lot of federal jobs there too.

And with them will come the people that will guarantee better demographic distribution.

The US election system is on the stupider side IMO, but a candidate cannot lose the popular vote, because such thing as popular vote does not exist.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by Johnny555 on Friday December 16, 2016 @08:09PM (#13198424)
The big corporations with democratic leaning CEO could have moved investment and jobs there.

If a big corporation with a democratic leaning CEO moved to a state where the population was mostly republican, then the company would have a workforce that is mostly republican.

Few people align themselves with the company's CEO's values, and even if the company was made up of mostly democratic workers, few people will follow their company to another state. If my company changed states, I'd get a job with a new company, my life just isn't that portable that I can pick up and leave with ease.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by greglindahl on Thursday December 15, 2016 @10:00PM (#13190742)
There are already large tariffs between China/US and China/EU for solar gear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_photovoltaics#Anti-d...

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by jacobush on Thursday December 15, 2016 @08:50PM (#13190432)
But then it will be cost efficient to mine coal, and America will be great again!
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by xbmcuser on Thursday December 15, 2016 @10:33PM (#13190845)
Not really US electricity demand is going down in the first place. And the major energy demand is going to come from Africa and Asia. On avg 2-3 billion people in Asia and Africa use less than 5% of electricity per person compared to the US and Europe. When you consider the fact that is almost 5 times the population of US and europe combined.

So the solar revolution is more important for the rest of the world as they will be the major users not the US.

Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by infinite8s on Thursday December 15, 2016 @09:31PM (#13190617)
There is still the rest of the world...
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by mtgx on Thursday December 15, 2016 @08:59PM (#13190463)
Good thing Tesla is going to manufacture its panels in the US.
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by eva1984 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @09:54PM (#13190711)
Trump is going to open those coal mines anyway, so don't worry. US is unlikely to lead the new energy revolution in, at least the next 4 years, I guess.
Re:World Energy Hits a Turning Point: Solar That's Cheaper T... by woodandsteel on Friday December 16, 2016 @08:34PM (#13198571)
Trump is going to cause US fossil fuels production to skyrocket. One consequence will be oil prices falling much lower than they already are. And that will make his good friend Putin very unhappy. I wonder if Trump has thought that out.