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Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by iaw on Thursday December 15, 2016 @12:05PM (#13186094)
Yahoo lost $650 million last quarter, why do you think anyone would take the deal in the first place?
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by bduerst on Thursday December 15, 2016 @12:34PM (#13186363)
IP. Yahoo!'s patents are valued between $4B and $8B, depending on who you ask.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by DannyBee on Thursday December 15, 2016 @01:25PM (#13186813)
That's probably completely wrong. The patent landscape has changed dramatically in the past 5 years. The likelihood they could extract significant sums of money from these patents drops every day.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by tptacek on Thursday December 15, 2016 @08:27PM (#13190343)
I'd really love to read the summary of the patent landscape that explains that.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by tclAmockingbird on Thursday December 15, 2016 @11:26PM (#13191059)
This might be a good starting place, "Software Patents: A One-Year Review of Alice v. CLS Bank" (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2619388)
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by bduerst on Thursday December 15, 2016 @06:59PM (#13189909)
Like I said, depends on who you ask. The point isn't the amount but that some people value it for the IP, not net income.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by bogomipz on Thursday December 15, 2016 @06:51PM (#13189858)
I mentioned this in another comment but how does Yahoo even know that its intellectual property wasn't taken?

Is it unreasonable to suspect that a company that has had multiples breaches of security of this extent might also not have had its IP taken out from underneath them as well?

Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by jlebrech on Friday December 16, 2016 @09:21AM (#13193370)
when you patent something it's always in the public domain, that's the point of patents, except that the ownership isn't public domain just the knowledge of a particular tech. but yes, nothing guarantees that tech they had in the pipeline isn't being stolen right now.

but if the details of a patent have been stolen the patents still have value, except for when the exact implementation of a patent can be circumvented due to access to plans.

Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by nilved on Thursday December 15, 2016 @12:52PM (#13186513)
What if you ask Verizon?
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by handedness on Thursday December 15, 2016 @02:10PM (#13187230)
If you ask Verizon, this leak was a great way to get a better price on a deal they already wanted to have happen.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by _audakel on Thursday December 15, 2016 @06:40PM (#13189783)
with the way things are going, they just need to wait a few more months to get a even better deal.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by x0x0 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @02:08PM (#13187214)
They make plenty of money gross. Fire 80% of the staff and they'll be very profitable net as well.
Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by Kurtz79 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @02:18PM (#13187314)
You are assuming that other costs apart from salaries are negligible and that firing 80% of the staff will have negligible effect on revenue.

They are pretty big assumptions to make.

Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by x0x0 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @05:33PM (#13189247)
First assumption, other costs are negligible: no, I'm not. Every dollar spent on salary is a dollar that doesn't go to profit.

Second assumption: letting 80% of staff go won't hurt. For that, I simply have to describe what I've heard from friends / coworkers / scuttlebutt about working at yahoo. But there are a lot of eng doing maybe a couple hours of work per day.

from

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/YHOO/financials?p=YHOO

under opex it looks like there's plenty of fat to cut.

Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by bduerst on Thursday December 15, 2016 @05:57PM (#13189464)
By that logic, businesses would never employ people because it's a cost that doesn't go to profit.

And the fat on that OPEX you linked is the writeoff from the Tumblr purchase.

Re:Verizon Explores Lower Price or Even Exit from Yahoo Deal by x0x0 on Thursday December 15, 2016 @06:06PM (#13189531)
For companies where employees add little/no value (yahoo!), then yes.