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Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by E_Dobroslav on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:08AM (#13155685)
These types of things have, historically, been terrible investments.
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by peller on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:12AM (#13155713)
Couldn't you have said the same thing about investing in internet businesses in 2002? And you'd have been correct - but oh so wrong.
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by E_Dobroslav on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:19AM (#13155748)
I'm suspicious of vague "feel good" investments. Investing in particular approaches or technologies that look profitable, yes, putting a billion dollars into a vague "feel good" pot isn't a recipe for success.
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by peller on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:30AM (#13155802)
I'm not convinced that statement applies to this particular fund's goals. The first greentech "boom" you mentioned in another reply, to me was very much like the dot-com boom. Everybody wanted in on the gold rush, and very few of them actually knew their (engineering) stuff. Even those that did, many got taken out with the fall. Classic hype cycle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle My point is, given that most of the tech is now economically competitive (or about to be), these guys are betting that we're entering the "slope of enlightenment." And given some of the names on that board, I'm inclined to believe they know what they're doing.
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by mistermann on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:23AM (#13156034)
Good point I think, the timing does look about right. This would be a bit similar to smart phones, as well as VR where we're now on try #2 and I think the technology is good enough this time to get a large number of early adopters on board.
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by grzm on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:15AM (#13155726)
What examples are you thinking of?
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by E_Dobroslav on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:20AM (#13155752)
Greentech startups early this century. Basicly all of them failed.
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by grzm on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:23AM (#13155769)
Any in particular stand out to you?
Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by mikeyouse on Monday December 12, 2016 @03:57AM (#13156668)
All of the algae companies as well.. Like I mentioned elsewhere, I was a part of a biofuels company in the Bay Area that eventually went belly up.

KiOR cost Vinod Khosla tens of millions and was extremely embarrassing as the company was sued by the SEC for fraud, the total loss was something like $650M. Craig Ventor doesn't even mention Synthetic Genomics any more, total loss there was close to $100M. Solazyme IPOed a few years back, has since lost 90% of their stock's value and have an accumulated deficit approaching $700M. Aurora Algae lost $150M and went out of business. Algenol has spent about the same without any revenues of note. Sapphire raised something like $350M, including $100M from the DOE for biofuels but have slowed operations significantly and are now focusing on fish oil. LS9 raised $81M and was eventually sold for $40M. Amyris went public awhile back as well and has since lost over 95% of their market cap. Their accumulated deficits are well over a billion dollars now.

If I had to guess, I'd say in the biofuels space, about $3-$4 billion has been set on fire in the past decade.

Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by mistermann on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:27AM (#13156063)
All the fuel cell companies, Ballard comes to mind: https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=BLDP&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c...

But you can't fault them for trying, and it sounds to me like this fund isn't investing necessarily with a high likelihood of making money, hence the 20 year time frame.

Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by lpaone on Monday December 12, 2016 @02:53AM (#13156390)
Despite what Elon Musk says, fuel cells aren't dead in the slightest. Yes there has been some stagnation in innovation from the major players, buy there has also been some significant and ground breaking improvements in fuel cell efficiency in the past few years.

At least one company that I know of, Loop Energy, has proven (independently verified) fuel cell tech that will soon make cargo trucks 0-emissions. (Note: My brother was the lead engineer and basically developed this)

https://loopenergy.com/

Sure it has taken a while, but things like this would not have been possible without that initial investment in fuel cells.

Re:Bill Gates et. al. launch massive clean-energy fund to fi... by grzm on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:33AM (#13156091)
Thanks for the link!