People I know think before they act and sometimes do better.

They also see much more than an "industry" or a "product".

Best thing of all: we may have ≠ POV and still not hurt each other. Freedom!

Freedom is wonderful, but we have a saying in the USA (from a famous court case): the rich as well as the poor are free to sleep under bridges. The meaning of this is that freedom without good resources is not actually that great.

After all, you could be completely free from Google and every other technological capitalist firm right now by throwing away your computer, phone and so on, and returning to ink and paper for your communication requirements. But of course you don't want to do that because it would entail a terrible loss of convenience, and every time you needed some information you would be forced to make a trip to the library or bookstore, or ask someone else to find the information for you etc. etc.. There is nothing ethically or psychologically bad about such a life - many of us are old enough to remember growing up that way - but it will put you at a severe economic and social disadvantage compared to virtually all of your peers.

In theory, I agree with you (and I mean that on many levels; I'm a devoted fan of Michel Foucault, for example). But I cannot eat theory, even if you consider it to be delicious cake.

Here is something wonderfully tangible:

  Alan Kay and a couple of friends built an entire system in 2.8MB in 1998[1].

You can actually DO stuff with these techs: "How Smalltalk Enables World Record Breaking Performance"[2]

Guys behind V8 are smalltalkers.

Nothing "theoretical" here, just science. I do not care about pompous theory. For example, I do not believe in real numbers. I let "theory" to poets and most academics.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUud1gcbS9k [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx9dgLW9m7w

Many people here are politely explaining to you that these tools have great intentions but that they are poorly designed, and you respond with irrelevant assertions about performance records. It is as if people tell you that a velo is unsuitable for construction work, and you respond with praise of Romain Bardet.

This discussion is about 'Free, Decentralized, Ethical Internet built on Solidarity.' Who cares about record-breaking Smalltalk performance? It is irrelevant. None of your contributions to this discussion have added anything of value.

"Many people here are politely explaining to you that these tools have great intentions but that they are poorly designed,"

So, the "design" of the iPad is superior to the "design" of the Dynabook?

Despite paperless vision of the future thx to "software", usage of printers has just begun to stop growing.

Patronizing and blind or high priests of the "rentware" cult.

> So, the "design" of the iPad is superior to the "design" of the Dynabook?

Yes. For the audience in question the iPad is in fact a design superior in every dimension except perhaps the child who wants to write a long form novel and already knows how to physically touch type.

> Patronizing and blind or high priests of the "rentware" cult.

I highly doubt this forum is prepared or inclined to have a conversation about your orthodoxy or how market forces interact with it. Certainly I'm done.

But good luck to you.

I do not want ideology. I want tangible results that will improve the freedom, privacy and safety of the western world. Quite frankly, Google does more for this right now than any 3 open source competitors to gmail do, combined.

Open source is irrelevant in most fields of user-facing software because they have insisted on being irrelevant. And any time a group forms a structure to do better, they're ceaselessly attacked by the community and given increasingly worse components to build off of.

The cloud is going back to mainframes (e.g. Chromebook). Kay and 2.8MB system (Squeak). TCP/IP in 160 SLOC (Ian Piumarta).

You mix Open source and Free software.

Go have a real degree first (real science like physics), then maybe go back to computing.

Cannot catch up with the 70s!

My physics diploma says that you're not contributing any useful arguments to the discussion at hand.

Your contribution is very interesting : it shows how little a diploma (a.k.a. "education") has to do with any kind of ability to produce anything useful.

http://oxrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/4/475.abstract

http://oxrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/4/538.abstract

http://ner.sagepub.com/content/224/1/R29.abstract

https://newrepublic.com/article/124943/america-overeducation...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/03043932949...

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/lpritch/Education%20-%20docs/...

http://repec.iza.org/dp5401.pdf

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/news/records/2013/December/Differ...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289605...

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2862754

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2016/11/01/are-we-still-goi...

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/01/18/study_finds_l...

https://www.amazon.com/Academically-Adrift-Limited-Learning-...

http://www.opencolleges.edu.au/informed/features/21-myths-th...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/05/06/federal-stud...

http://longevity3.stanford.edu/blog/2014/10/15/the-consensus...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2016/11/01/are-we-still-goi...

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2012-12-31/research-...

http://economics.mit.edu/files/10414

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040162505...

http://www.nber.org/papers/w18315

http://www.nber.org/papers/w19895

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/upshot/how-to-improve-grad...

http://hechingerreport.org/how-often-do-community-college-st...

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40

http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-i...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/05/28/half-of-co...

No one cares about Squeak anymore. We have browsers.

Average web page is > 2MB[1]

Lol... you are really clueless.

[1]: https://www.soasta.com/blog/page-bloat-average-web-page-2-mb...

But that's mostly raster images and fonts. Code density is quite low, and JavaScript takes many cues from SmallTalk.

"Lol." A technical term.