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Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by MicroBerto on Thursday December 08, 2016 @01:57PM (#13133011)
> but they make money along the way

Only killing a few people in the process, but hey who am I to judge?

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by dang on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:59AM (#13137390)
Please don't toss off inflammatory, unsubstantive comments on HN. If you're going to comment here, make it substantive, and if the topic is divisive, please make it less inflammatory, not more.

Edit: you also became uncivil downthread. We ban accounts that do that. Please (re-)read the site guidelines and follow them:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by photogrammetry on Thursday December 08, 2016 @04:52PM (#13134631)
Are you implying that Tesla killed the (1 person, not people) who decided to let his car slam into a tractor-trailer on cruise control?

It's not a problem to you that, say, Apple has "financed the suicides of dozens of Foxconn workers," or that GM killed 140 people by suppressing information on a defective ignition switch, or that Lockheed Martin and Halliburton buoy their stock by selling weapons to kill hundreds of thousands of people?

Evidently, you must find totally acceptable the gun-running, terrorist-sponsoring activities of HSBC in the last few years. I bet Google's permabanning of people from their own Google Apps accounts (because they were reselling a couple Pixel phones) is ethically fine with you, as well.

Never mind the tens of thousands of preventable automobile deaths yearly because car manufacturers refuse to implement even the most rudimentary of Autopilot functions.

Yeah, totally reasonable to pick on the electric car / solar battery company with $3b in revenue since one dope decided to drive into a truck and behead himself. There's nobody else deserving of criticism whatsoever.

Let's not even get started with how cocky their CEO has been with his fancy sustainable business plans!

p.s. I won't even attempt an ad hominem at the guy selling homeopathics and 'nutritional supplements' in this thread.

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by dang on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:01AM (#13137394)
This is uncivil and stoops to personal attack. It's just the ante-upping, signal-noise-lowering sort of comment we ask people to abstain from here. Please don't post like this to HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by legolas2412 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:58PM (#13135510)
I'm going to ignore the whataboutism you spew.

Also, Elon musk has done amazing work with electric cars, sustainable energy and space travel. No doubt about that.

But this is about Autopilot, a collection of driver assistance program. Not sure about OP, but my spite with Tesla is that they are pushing the above-mentioned driver assistance programs as self-driving features. This over-selling is going to kill people.

And for your information, lane keeping assist, lane driving assist, automated cruise control (which is pretty much AP1.0) have been present in several cars. Even self parking has been demoed by several cars. Add in automatic lane changing (which doesn't sound difficult to me), it wraps up Enhanced AP1.0.

Does that sound like a completely autonomous self driving car? Because that's what the public perception is like.

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by dang on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:03AM (#13137400)
Please don't call names ('you spew') in arguments. If someone is wrong, explain so civilly.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by MicroBerto on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:03PM (#13141374)
How is "you spew" namecalling?

I was the one personally attacked in this thread, not the other way around. Just because my comment doesn't fit the Musk Worship narrative doesn't make me wrong.

Was someone not killed by a malfunctioning / underprepared Tesla? What am I missing here????

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by dang on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:46PM (#13143709)
"You spew" is a pejorative. Examples:

https://twitter.com/search?q="you%20spew"

https://www.google.com/webhp#q=site%3Atwitter.com%20%22you%2...

What you're missing is that even though someone was uncivil to you on HN, you needed to remain civil in return. That's the social contract here, and we need it to prevent discourse from degenerating even further.

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by MicroBerto on Saturday December 10, 2016 @08:17AM (#13145513)
Given that there is no report button or ability to downvote someone that replies to you (at least not on mobile for me), it is only reasonable to defend myself in that situation.

The ensuing attacker went to my profile, researched me and my business, and personally attacked me because they disagreed with my sentiment.

What is my recourse for action in such a case? Take it on the chin like a wimp? I don't think so.

If you don't provide appropriate tools to stop a tit attack, then you are fostering an unfair and "unsafe" environment by banning tit-for-tat response.

You are turning this community into a one-way echo chamber.

Re:Google Makes So Much Money, It Never Had to Worry About F... by dang on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:57PM (#13147221)
Your recourse is to email [email protected], as the site guidelines ask. Note that I chided that person for what they did, which of course was wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, though, and you're continuing to break the rules while they at least stopped.

For civil discussion we all need to hold ourselves to a higher standard than the one we perceive other people to be keeping, because the only alternative is a downward spiral, and an accelerating one. If you want to keep commenting here, we need you to internalize that.