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Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by pjc50 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:17AM (#13129470)
The theological second half of this is bizarre - I've never heard of this being considered a "problem", heaven (in the Christian tradition) is not a hall of fame that one nominates figures for. And the Mormon tradition of proxy-baptising people who are dead and never showed any sign of adherence to their tenets is highly questionable.
Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by sctb on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:44AM (#13131605)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13129374 and marked it off-topic.
Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by Fuzzy_Logic on Thursday December 08, 2016 @09:31AM (#13130446)
Mormon and long time lurker here. Just wanted to give clarity to this because it can be confusing. Mormons don't believe they are forcibly baptizing these people by proxy. They believe that everyone should have the opportunity to accept baptism and salvation through Jesus Christ, even if they did not receive the opportunity in the mortal stage of life: "Individuals can then choose to accept or reject what has been done in their behalf."

https://www.lds.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng

Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by WhitneyLand on Thursday December 08, 2016 @12:44PM (#13132241)
Thank you for clarifying. It seems like there is an unfair share of negative perceptions compared to other religions just because it's only ~200 years old.

Although I'm not a member, I lived in a 90% Mormon city for a few years and was made to feel very welcome and accepted.

Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by nurettin on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:27AM (#13131422)
Hi, sorry if this comes off as offensive, but is there a general consensus in mormonism about a gradual evolution of life on earth?
Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by Fuzzy_Logic on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:39AM (#13138951)
Sorry for the delayed response. As paulddraper there is no official doctrine on evolution, but Mormons do not believe in "Creatio ex nihilo" or that the creation of the earth was literally a seven day period. The "days" of the creation story are meant to mean periods of time, and we do not fully understand how God created the earth or that evolution was not necessarily a part of it. Mormons do not accept a lot of the "standard" Christian teachings on creation that actually stem from the Greek/Roman philosophical influence in early Christianity and not from scripture. Our official doctrine encourages us to seek to learn and understand the will and processes of God through science in addition to spiritual experiences.

"Latter-day Saints should strive to use both science and religion to extend knowledge and to build faith." "Is there any conflict between science and religion? There is no conflict in the mind of God, but often there is conflict in the minds of men." http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_science/Are_they_comp...

More Sources: http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_science/Evolution/Off... http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormon_view_of_the_creation

Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by paulddraper on Thursday December 08, 2016 @02:41PM (#13133463)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_views_on_evolution

tl;dr Some Mormon leaders say it's incompatible with scripture, though the LDS church hasn't never said anything official.

Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by nurettin on Thursday December 08, 2016 @12:09PM (#13131896)
I'll take the negative votes as a no :-)
Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by WhitneyLand on Thursday December 08, 2016 @08:38AM (#13130161)
Did you just criticize a religion for not making sense?
Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by paulddraper on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:02AM (#13131157)
> The weirdest thing about Mitt Romney is that crazy religion. Mormons believe Joseph Smith received gold plates from an angel on a hill, when everybody knows Moses got stone tablets from a burning bush on a mountain.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/cw4el2/the-colbert-report-yahw...

Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by kbutler on Thursday December 08, 2016 @09:46AM (#13130554)
Mormons consider baptism a gate - proxy baptism opens the gate, the post-mortal individual can choose to enter the path via the gate, or not.

This necessitates a lot of other background beliefs - immortal soul, individual will, and significant ordinances, to name a few.

Re:Talks that changed the way I think about programming by jpt4 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @08:42AM (#13130180)
In the particular case of Socrates, one might speculate that he had the privilege of affirming or denying his faith before Christ himself: http://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-19.htm