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Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by wernercd on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @08:27PM (#13119802)
Security update? 9.3.4 => 9.3.5? That's an update

9.3.5 => 10.0 is not a "security update".

Constant nagware until you update is asinine. "Update Now or Later?"... f* you, I don't like what I see in 10... but I'm stuck with dancing around daily fucking warnings.

I swear... I'm not bitter :) I also won't buy another iPhone.

Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by walterbell on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @10:29PM (#13120242)
Workaround: the iOS10 update requires 1GB of space. The nag only appears if the update has been auto-downloaded. Use "Manage Storage" to delete the 1GB update file for iOS10. THen load enough music/video on your iPhone so there is less than 1GB space. Presto, no more iOS10 download (won't fit) and no more nagging.
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by 13of40 on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:23PM (#13120443)
My solution was to give the iPad to my kid and get an Android.
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by PacketPaul on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @12:47AM (#13120722)
And you will never get an OS update again. Android products seem to be orphaned at whatever OS is current at the time of production.

Just bought a new Android table and it had lollipop. Turns out you cannot get the most recent OS for it so I am stuck with a 2 year old OS.

Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by bad_user on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @02:28AM (#13121084)
First of all there's a big difference in how Android gets upgraded. Google doesn't need to upgrade the base operating system in order to push changes to its apps and they can even push security fixes and upgrades to the base operating system by means of Play Services and supporting libraries by which they push backports.

It also depends on the Android device. I have a Nexus 6, released 2014, that's on the latest Android 7 (Nougat) and my old Nexus 4, released 2012, is on Android 5 (Lollipop).

Maybe I would have preferred if my Nexus 4 also got upgraded to the latest, but then again it might not have the needed juice, I like very much how it runs right now and all the apps I use still work and receive updates. And I also have an older iPad that got upgraded by Apple and is now unusable.

Even so, with Apple there's no way out - once upgraded, it stays upgraded and once support is dropped, it stays droppped. With my Nexus I have a choice - because of Android's nature I can always use CyanogenMod. It's not exactly a solution for the non-technical-savvy, but it works.

Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by xabotage on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @03:12AM (#13121208)
My Note 4 came with kitkat installed two years ago. Shortly thereafter I was able to upgrade to lollipop. For the past several months now I've been ignoring the available upgrade to marshmallow because honestly neither my cell provider nor Google has any incentive to let me keep a perfectly good phone for another year or two, so I'm worried a major performance hit is the only real feature I can expect from the new version. I know I'm being slightly irrational in this concern, but can anyone confirm that the jump from Android 5 to 6 doesn't cripple phones with "old" specs (since it's targeted to the latest phones)? I'd love to update if it turns out this is not the case.
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by oxide on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @07:54AM (#13122158)
5 to 6 was fine on my G4. I'm not sure how it compares to the Note 4 but the phone is at least a generation old. There is another pending OS update I've been ignoring for a few months, not for fear of being crippled, but just because I can.
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by Senji on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @01:53AM (#13120953)
Ditto 4.4
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by thirdsun on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @04:10AM (#13121379)
Not sure if this was intended but this comment is actually kind of funny considering Android's lack of updates is a frequent point of criticism. Update notifications are probably the one thing you don't have to worry about with Android.

On a more serious note, in my opinion updates are an exemption and the user should be urged to do them.

Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by wernercd on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @08:48AM (#13122446)
I don't necessarily want to AVOID an update. I don't update to new OS's.

XP sucked until SP2. 8 sucked until 8.1u1. 10 gets better each roll.

My issue with iOS 10 is the changes to the underlying flow (like unlocking the phone) and the lack of tweakability (basic issue with iOS). Naggware on top of that grates my nerves.

Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by 13of40 on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @09:21AM (#13122662)
I just got an update yesterday. (OnePlus 3)
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by wernercd on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @08:46PM (#13127802)
My problem with that is the dance you have to do after words...

* It won't download over cell towers * It won't download if less than 1GB available on phone

Now, I've got to balance my space to within 1gb and minimize time outside of that while on Wifi.

Swap out audio books? Take too many pictures/videos? Podcast downloads? Game/App downloads?

I know this option exists... and it's just as crappy - if not more so - than clicking "No" every day.

Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by wingerlang on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @02:19AM (#13121054)
Quite nice. Might do this for the test devices we've got at work to prevent accidental updates.
Re:Dark Patterns – User Interfaces Designed to Trick People ... by msandford on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @10:49PM (#13120328)
Gross that you have to go to these lengths, but upvoted for having a solution.