The State of European Tech 2016

Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by exceptione on Sunday December 04, 2016 @08:45PM (#13102865)

It is not what you are asking for, but as I repeatedly hear is that The Netherlands is closer to the UK with regards to the business practice. Less strict, less formal, no hierarchies. But VC isn't big in The Netherlands as well. Salaries are still a joke compared to the US.

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Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by cyberpunk on Sunday December 04, 2016 @09:01PM (#13102921)

I worked in NL a few years ago and the corp culture there was good generally. I'll never acknowledge frikandellen as fit for human consumption however..

I'm not sure about the money argument still though -- a joke? How much more money do you think your avg dev is getting paid in the US vs what we get here in Europe? A regular employee/salaried dev is looking at at least 90k euro/year in nl, which is a very very comfortable living before bonus/benefits and NL also has the 13'th month thing which allows for easy laptop buying every year... Senior/Lead folks are looking at more plus options and whatever..

It's obviously a hard thing to measure, but I think the quality of life argument for your typical european is somewhat higher than your generic american worker (25 days holiday, employee-biased employment laws, various lifestyle protections (e.g in holland if you're a fully 'paid up' taxpayer and you lose your job then the govt will give you some 75% of your last salary while you find another role)).

I guess there's no way to really compare all these things, there are too many other factors -- I'm really curious on how much more money you're talking about here though...

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Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by cplanas on Monday December 05, 2016 @03:32AM (#13104134)

> A regular employee/salaried dev is looking at at least 90k euro/year in nl

According Payscale, the average salary for a developer in Netherlands is 41k Euro/Year (http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa...), and in Amsterdam, the capital, 53k (http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Senior_Software_Engi...).

In Copenhagen and Barcelona (the two Euro cities where I have worked) 90k is totally off the market.

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Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by falsedan on Monday December 05, 2016 @02:09AM (#13103862)

What company in NL pays 90k for new grads?

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Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by passiveincomelg on Monday December 05, 2016 @03:23AM (#13104108)

or senior devs

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Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by hocuspocus on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:38PM (#13107320)

90k is attainable at Booking.com for a senior dev, but you have to be into Perl :) And I imagine that your total comp is pretty big at Uber too (at least on paper). Clearly not the norm in NL though.

It might be easier in hardware, I don't know how well ASML pays.

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Re:The State of European Tech 2016 by passiveincomelg on Monday December 05, 2016 @01:15PM (#13107720)

Not really into Perl or into moving anywhere, but good to know. :)

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