Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by codingthewheel on Friday April 30, 2010 @07:22AM
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Right. Like that monument to best-practices software development, iTunes for Windows.
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Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by bruceboughton on Friday April 30, 2010 @08:09AM
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I often hear people beating down on iTunes on Windows. Can someone explain what is wrong with it? I understand that it's not based on Cocoa, but aside from that what problems does it have?
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by RyanMcGreal on Friday April 30, 2010 @08:29AM
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Big, slow, bloated, heavy-handed with settings (no, I don't want Safari, or QuickTime, or for you to phone home every five minutes), leaks memory, installs wads of silent 'helper' processes, non-native UI, frequent crashes, insanely jealous of all other ways to add songs to iPods...
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by omaranto on Friday April 30, 2010 @08:54AM
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It's very very slow, it crashes often, the UI is weird and hard to figure out (maybe it's more intuitive for Mac users?) and it has several annoying bugs: when syncing with my iPod it often marks podcasts I've listened to, or partially listened to as unlistened; it often hangs when trying to connect to the iTunes store (this is remedied by running "ipconfig /flushdns" at the command line); if I buy something from my wishlist it only removes from the wishlist about half the time. And every time it updates itself it tries to install Safari...
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by SlyShy on Friday April 30, 2010 @08:29AM
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It's laggy, stuttery, junk. It's basically the only non-game application I can run that'll spike my CPU to 100%.
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by cdonnellytx on Friday April 30, 2010 @07:33PM
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It is a sub-standard app based on a cross-platform layer of software (Carbon) that has not been updated to take advantage of platform enhancements (i.e., Windows 7).
Granted, it's not third-party since Apple owns the Carbon layer and iTunes, but then again, Flash isn't third-party for Adobe's in-house developers for the very same reason. Perhaps this is what Jobs means by "painful experience".
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by rbanffy on Friday April 30, 2010 @07:38AM
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I am pretty sure that's because they couldn't bother to port Cocoa to Windows.
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by ryoshu on Friday April 30, 2010 @08:51AM
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iTunes isn't built on Cocoa: http://daringfireball.net/2009/09/itunes_and_cocoa
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by rbanffy on Friday April 30, 2010 @09:04AM
(#1308026)
And that's why iTunes is so bad - because it shares code with the Windows version that can't be Cocoa.
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by JamieEi on Friday April 30, 2010 @10:08AM
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Lots of people write great code on Windows. There's no reason why Apple couldn't too, if it cared.
Re:Apple is just Microsoft with better marketing
by rbanffy on Friday April 30, 2010 @10:15AM
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I agree they could make the core cross-platform and build platform-specific GUIs, but, apart from making Windows appear to suck less when compared to Macs, what would they gain from it?
I don't particularly like iTunes, but it does two jobs for Apple: it syncs iPods and makes Windows look bad.