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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by bobbytherobot on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @01:57PM (#13065314)
Exactly. I've met too many front-end devs who are unable to separate the architectural pattern from the implementation of the library they are using. They have the larger mountain to climb when needing to learn a new framework.
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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by edblarney on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @02:15PM (#13065459)
"I've met too many front-end devs who are unable to separate the architectural pattern from the implementation of the library they are using."

That's because front-end development is based on a core of HTML/CSS/JS which itself does not lend very well to architectural paradigms.

People 'starting out' on the front-end, in some ways, never learn how to write propers software. They've been using weird ideas from the start.

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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by tpolischuk on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @02:40PM (#13065647)
That's actually kind of interesting. HTML/CSS/JS really are the framework. It's already a great separation of concerns (HTML for data/content, Javascript for behavior and logic, and CSS for presentation). Everything on top of it just seems like implementation details.
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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by elmigranto on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @02:58PM (#13065777)
If you want to display documents, sure, I agree. If you need complex UIs, manually updating DOM without any kind of abstraction is definitely not a right choice.
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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by ktRolster on Wednesday November 30, 2016 @12:12AM (#13068645)
No, CSS/HTML in theory is a good idea, separating content from presentation. In practice, the HTML still needs to know about the presentation.
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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by abritinthebay on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @03:01PM (#13065790)
I find that it's the people that don't know HTML/CSS that have the problems.

They end up reinventing the wheel repeatedly.

There's a whole lot of JavaScript devs out there that think they are front-end devs. They aren't. There's nothing wrong with that of course.

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Re:Why I’m thankful for JavaScript fatigue by webmaven on Tuesday November 29, 2016 @04:22PM (#13066385)
> They end up reinventing the wheel repeatedly.

You mean like altering attributes directly on elements (and proud that they had encapsulated the code in a reusable function) instead of adding/removing a class?

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