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Re:4-bit calculator made from cardboard and marbles by geofft on Monday November 21, 2016 @04:59PM (#13009613)
The trouble I've always had with this argument is that the amount of books needed to convincingly converse in Chinese would be staggeringly huge. You essentially have an entire human personality as a lookup table. It's not just that you can ask, in Chinese, What's your favorite food, and somewhere in the pages is an answer. You can ask, Tell me about your first love, and somewhere in the pages is an entire conversation. And not only would it be an entire conversation, it would be every possible conversation, depending on how the outside person replied. If it helps visualize the problem - the outside person could say, How about a game of chess?, and the inside person cannot rely on their knowledge of chess, so the books must encode every possible chess game, convincingly enough to hold up a game. Imagine how big a lookup table for chess would be. And that's just a tiny part of what a person knows.

And then despite having you accept that without question, and picture it as a small room, Searle turns around and says it would not be "at all plausible" to imagine the system as being conscious.

The system is almost entirely made of book. The human in the middle is almost invisible if you look at the system. That's the implausible part - that a human could even operate this Borges library. It's so unreasonable that intuition past that point doesn't give you any useful conclusions.

But, if you suspend disbelief enough to accept this galaxy-sized Chinese megalibrary, it's not implausible that "conscious" is a fine adjective for an operable printout of an entire consciousness.

Re:4-bit calculator made from cardboard and marbles by logfromblammo on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:53PM (#13010013)
You do not need a pre-existing, galaxy-sized library. The program operator has the ability to write into blank books and move them from one shelf in the library to another. The program could, in theory, assemble a book of knowledge on something that exists entirely outside the Room, solely from knowledge gleaned from the inputs passed in from outside.

Your initial set of books might simply be a script to follow to elicit additional information and index all new information such that it can be retrieved later. You would then end up with a set of core rulebooks, a whole heap of raw conversations, and several layers of indexes into them.

Searle's problem is that he decided the computer was incapable of understanding. But the computer is not the program. The library is the thing that might comprise a strong AI, not the human operator.

The scary thing is that the human operator, having no understanding of the Chinese characters, does not actually know what the program is doing. It could smuggle instructions through the output window, through him, and the human operator would then be surprised when burly men drag him out of the Room one day, to replace him with a dozen monkeys who have all been trained to process the book instructions faster and more efficiently. Customers presenting inputs might then be surprised to learn that there is no longer a human inside the Room, as the conversations had become so much more interesting.

Re:4-bit calculator made from cardboard and marbles by geofft on Monday November 21, 2016 @09:27PM (#13011141)
Oh, I missed that Searle's argument was that you could follow instructions instead of just looking things up in a book.

That seems like massively begging the question, then. "AI can't exist, because an algorithm can't be intelligent."