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Re:The Truly Scary Part About Facebook Open Graph by Groxx on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @04:23PM (#1299592)
Non-exportable data is pretty much the definition of a lock-in. There's essentially nothing that's impossible to walk away from, so the only thing worth considering is getting out what you put in.

In terms of a social application, it's legitimately harder to make a not-locked-in service. Who owns what, and how much of it is valid when you transfer data to another host? But it's still a lock-in, because there's no way to leave and retain things.

Imagine if your phone would only export contacts to a new phone if you stayed with your provider. Sure, you can still leave, but a data-lock-in is still a lock-in technique.

Re:The Truly Scary Part About Facebook Open Graph by jmm on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @04:49PM (#1299670)
Soft lock in? I don't know... I guess I'm being a bit literal with the term "lock." It's not binary (literally handcuffed or not), but more of a continuum taking into account the cost of moving away. So sure, I guess I missed that.

And though I realize others may feel differently, I'm of the mindset that the costs are relatively low in walking away from facebook without my data. I have all my pictures anyway. Other peoples' pictures of me? Na... I don't own them. Statuses, messages, connections, likes, events? Sayonara without qualms.

Re:The Truly Scary Part About Facebook Open Graph by Groxx on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @04:15PM (#1302560)
I think a lot of people define a lock-in as a monetary lock-in. You can't leave without spending X dollars to terminate early.

But given the time to re-do a large portion of your data on FB (assuming you've used it a fair amount, as many people on it do), at minimum wage, it's probably nearly as "expensive" to leave FB as to switch cell phone providers.

I know it's not a 1-to-1 comparison at all, and I've deleted my account and felt no loss. But my use of FB was incredibly minimal compared to most of my friends who are on it, and I hear "I hate Facebook, but everyone is on it" echoed from nearly everyone I encounter.

Re:The Truly Scary Part About Facebook Open Graph by whatusername on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @10:09PM (#1300509)
exactly. It's not my data that binds me to facebook. It's the fact my friends are all there.
Re:The Truly Scary Part About Facebook Open Graph by harshavr on Tuesday April 27, 2010 @05:28PM (#1299796)
If there is a real need, wont scraping toools with easy interfaces be developed by competitors to allow a user to get personal data out while migrating? Its the user's data after all. Lock-in due to the usefulness of friend info might still be significant, though.
Re:The Truly Scary Part About Facebook Open Graph by Groxx on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @04:09PM (#1302539)
The constantly-changing UI could be considered a way of preventing such tools. Plus, I believe their TOS explicitly states that you can't use scraping tools, and a huge spike of activity would set off red flags. Running it for weeks / months is a massive disincentive to most potential users, so it effectively must complete quickly or it won't be used.

Besides, developing a robust screen scraping tool for a system as large as FB is inherently a very difficult task, and you still need to connect everything you get out, essentially re-building FB. For them to provide an export tool, however, would be ridiculously easy by comparison.