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Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by Nokinside on Thursday November 17, 2016 @06:34PM (#12982856)
It will be expensive bandwidth no matter what.

The way they can make this work is if they

1) are targeting traditional satellite internet customers (ships on the sea, commercial aviation, etc) and

2) integration with 5th generation mobile networks trough wireless network virtualization. Mobile network provider can sell a service where traveling customer pays extra for connection that works in the middle of nowhere. When the device is within normal cell network or WiFi, connection goes trough those networks, when they are sailing with their yacht, it can jump from the picocell in the boat or backpack to the satellite network. At any given time there may be millions of customers who pay little extra for coverage and just few tens of thousands who actually use it.

Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by bigiain on Thursday November 17, 2016 @06:51PM (#12982981)
"commercial aircraft carriers"

That made me stop and think for a bit...

Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by AceJohnny2 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @06:54PM (#12983003)
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by bigiain on Thursday November 17, 2016 @09:09PM (#12983752)
Exactly where my head started going... Then "No hang on. The rest of this comment isn't making sense now, back up bak up backup. Oh... _that's_ less interesting." :-)

(Gah - and don't you hate it when people stealth-edit their comments and make you look insane? For the record, the parent originally said "commercial aircraft carriers" instead of "commercial aviation". I may be insane, but there's a completely plausible explanation for this comment thread and it can't be used as evidence of my lack of sanity, ok?)

Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by Tuna-Fish on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:20PM (#12983180)
The frequencies they intend to use limit them to antennas roughly the size of a pizza box, which is a little bit too unwieldy for a backpack...
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by Nokinside on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:46PM (#12983313)
There are already satellite antennas larger than pizza box that fit into a backback.
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by bigiain on Thursday November 17, 2016 @09:25PM (#12983816)
Question: what sort of antennas would they use for this? A 1/4wave dipole at 10GHz would be _tiny_ (like 8mm or so, right?) - but presumably insufficiently sensitive for a satellite 800 miles up?

I've got a 5.8GHz "patch antenna" for FPV video from a quad copter which claims 12db gain - but I've got no idea what shape it is inside (it's small, maybe 70 or 80mm square, but it's a literal "black box" with an sma connector on it from my perspective).

Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by mentat on Thursday November 17, 2016 @08:01PM (#12983390)
They could sell bandwidth to LTE providers too who will upsell to cell consumers.
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by legolas2412 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:38PM (#12983273)
can the receiver/transmitter fit in a smartphone?
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by andars on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:40PM (#12983284)
Unlikely. It will be a phased array so they will need some spacing between the antennas. I've heard mention of ~pizza box size
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by cwkoss on Thursday November 17, 2016 @08:15PM (#12983489)
"I'm getting bad reception, hold on while I put on my antenna sombrero"
Re:SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latenc... by rconti on Friday November 18, 2016 @03:21AM (#12985208)
Great, now I need a tinfoil sombrero so they don't read my thoughts.