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Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by dtnewman on Thursday November 17, 2016 @11:21AM (#12978763)
I worry about the regulatory aspects of getting self-driving cars off-the-ground in the United States. It is inevitable that self driving cars will make mistakes and people will be injured or killed as a result. It is also inevitable that people will be injured or killed as a result of people driving cars. But in the long run, it's virtually guaranteed that self-driving technology will result in safer cars and fewer driving deaths. Computers can respond quicker, communicate well with other computers (hopefully) and they don't get drunk.

It's a fact of life that while accidents from ordinary drivers go unnoticed (ironically because they are so frequent), car crashes from self-driving cars will get covered extensively by the media, at least for the short term.

All this means that it will be a tough regulatory environment for self-driving cars in the US. In China, the government has more power to create regulatory policies around self-driving cars that take a long-term view without having to worry as much about lawsuits and other concerns.

Perhaps the fear of seeing the Chinese companies "getting there first" with self-driving cars will be an impetus for US regulators to create policies that are encourage the development of self-driving cars.

Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by imh on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:18PM (#12979332)
I want the DMV to only license drivers when they are safe, alert, and driving defensively, so I want the DMV to only license autonomous systems when they can meet or exceed the bar of safe, alert, and defensive drivers. We can't enforce that humans drive that way after they're licensed, but we can enforce it with autonomous systems. We are already happy regulating driving, and we shouldn't lower the licensing bar to how people actually drive on average, "You get your license as long you drive better than the average Joe looking at google maps while he tailgates."
Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by hx87 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:36PM (#12979513)
> We can't enforce that humans drive that way after they're licensed

Wait, isn't that what traffic police are for? Sometimes I wish speed limits were universally removed so that police will be forced to enforce the other 99.99% of traffic laws more strictly.

Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by grecy on Thursday November 17, 2016 @01:24PM (#12979952)
> Wait, isn't that what traffic police are for?

They just punish after the fact. I'm still able to make a poor driving choice that results in the injury or death of a bunch of people.

Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by hx87 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @03:38PM (#12981281)
They also incentivize you to get your shit together before terrible things happen. After all, that's 50% of what punishments are for.
Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by grecy on Thursday November 17, 2016 @03:50PM (#12981416)
Sure, but they still don't physically stop you from doing something bad. It's still very possible, and actually easy to do it.
Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by imh on Thursday November 17, 2016 @08:43PM (#12983624)
Maybe the word "can't" was a poor choice. My point remains that people pretty much always drive in ways that would fail a DMV driving test. Plus, I know I sure drive differently when cops are around too.
Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by Animats on Thursday November 17, 2016 @03:27PM (#12981166)
Perhaps the fear of seeing the Chinese companies "getting there first" with self-driving cars will be an impetus for US regulators to create policies that are encourage the development of self-driving cars.

Government is way ahead of you there. The California DMV has been licensing self-driving cars for on-highway test for several years now. 19 companies have signed up. The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration had their meetings on regulations for self-driving cars last year and this year, and the proposed regulations are out. Basic rule: the manufacturer is responsible for all accidents of self-driving cars. Google and the big car companies are on board with this. Tesla has grudgingly accepted it.

Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by akira2501 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @06:42PM (#12982916)
> for US regulators to create policies that are encourage the development of self-driving cars.

How much more friendly of an environment do they need? The NHTSA has guidelines, and wants answers, but it hasn't shown a lot of prior restraint in this space.

These companies are slow to move because they know full well that if they kill enough drivers, their stock will fall so much that they'll be de-listed from any legitimate securities market in a matter of days.

This is a complicated space with a lot of new liabilities and civil responsibilities to consider, it _should_ move slow.

Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by rfghsfgt on Thursday November 17, 2016 @11:38AM (#12978919)
The issue is that self driving cars are naturally _worse_ than human drivers, and the only way to ensure that only the _good_ self driving cars get on the road is regulation.

Like flying, if anyone could build an airplane and fly it, flying would be more dangerous then driving. It's the FAA which keeps these things in check.

Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by swiley on Thursday November 17, 2016 @03:05PM (#12980951)
Actually, in the US anyone is allowed to build small aircraft and fly them completely unlicensed. (provided it's not at night or over a populated area)
Re:Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China by hx87 on Thursday November 17, 2016 @12:34PM (#12979493)
Now, if the various state DMVs could ensure that only the good human drivers get on the roads...