> wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement.

And yet you didn't refute a single one of them, and only offered subjective preferences and personal anecdotes.

You like driving a manual. Bless your heart. Modern automatics still accelerate faster and are more fuel efficient than manuals. Just take a look at what the car manufacturers themselves report.

People can invent points and refutals. Physics, dictates manuals to be more efficient.

Automatic transmission 'learn driver habit' multiplies the above, and yet everybody in this discussion ignores it. CVT comes closer to efficiency of manual, but it's not popular because "the car just doesn't have the power on demand dude".

This subject is a horse beaten to death, and then to a pulp, where people that have sporadic and rather incomplete knowledge, write novels based on what was on the car sale pitch.

And, yet, here's an example where EPA numbers on a car model where the automatic has better gas mileage:

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtm...

Now, perhaps this doesn't accurately represent real world driving conditions but nonetheless, physics notwithstanding, it does suggest that an automatic can be more efficient using standard measurements.

So far in this thread multiple people have brought up that the numbers reported by the car manufacturers themselves, for current model year cars, across a bunch of manufacturers, show that automatic transmission cars are more fuel efficient than manuals.

I see two explanations for this:

1) They're all lying

2) Technological progress has finally caught up to a system that is bounded by human skill and hand-foot-coordination.

(I'm betting on technology, are you betting on the human?)

faster? yes, I stated that, everybody knows that. more fuel efficient? people asked for you to prove it, so far nothing. have some facts into the discussion? all info I've seen so far in past 10 years (which doesn't mean all of them of course, I may be wrong on this), automats have higher reported consumption compared to manuals. So do 4x, obviously for different reasons, but it's consistent and expected.

All other points I mentioned - you don't care about neither. Just bashing swedish system because you don't like it from you own personal view (if you cannot skip gear and whine about it, you are complete beginner, there ARE good reasons they have it and it happens in real world). My opinion might be biased since I always drove manuals for my own car, and rental automats have been consistently horrible/mkay boring at most (this includes latest Porsche and Ferrari 458 btw)

    > it's inferior, expensive, less
    > fun and car has no way knowing
    > details of road situation

I agree, and have believed those things since my mother (literally) taught me them! But I've never driven an automatic, and the small number of people I know in the UK who have switched to an automatic are never, ever going back.

Food for thought.

I'm one of that small number in the UK who drives an automatic. I used to drive a manual but more than 10 years ago switched to an automatic and I wouldn't want to switch back. To me driving is about getting from A to B with the least hassle and an automatic helps with that.

I just switched because I simply couldn't get the vehicle I needed (2016 Toyota Tacoma, 4 doors, 6' bed) with a manual transmission. I love the truck, but I still wish I could have had it with a manual. When my girls are old enough to drive, I hope I can still find a manual that's safe for them to learn on, just so they'll know what to do if they ever need to use one.

You don't have traffic where you live? I like driving manuals too but 45 minutes of stop and go traffic each way would be torture in a manual so I have an automatic.

I have a manual in London, I don't feel it's a torture. Nothing against automatic, it will definitely make it a bit easier, but it doesn't take too long to put a first gear and move nor is it painful to hold the clutch if necessary.

Won't a double-clutch + kickdown get around the safety limitations though?

As a manual driver I can potentially screw up fast acceleration from a still-stand, e.g. when needing to do a quick merge with pretty bad consequences.

I've also noticed that my shifting is very tuned to the weight of the people normally in the car, I choked the engine twice when on a trip with friends and a full car. Embarassing and potentially dangerous. Note: more than a decade experience on manual.

Double clutch+ downshift works only for the transmissions that have parts where they enable that usage. Many don't.