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Re:On 2016 Apple: What do “Pro” users want? by znpy on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:47PM (#12971338)
I'll make a possibly controversial statement, but... The fact that someone uses a laptop to make money do not qualify such laptop as a "pro" laptop.

Accountants can happily use a random sub-500$ laptop and make money.

If your job is to poke people with a stick, is your stick a pro stick?

Pro is more likely to be defined as something particular/peculiar that you do not find on other usual/consumer/widespread brands and accomodates very particular use-cases.

Let me exemplify:

- you are a professional video editor. you do not only enjoy, you need fast storage, a lot of fast storage.

- you do CAD. you do need a fast video card and cpus.

- you are a researcher who needs computing power. not enough power to justify a fancy coud solution or stuff like that, but enough that a regular core i5 is not enough.

If your very rare use-case can be met by a laptop, then said laptop is a pro-level laptop. Otherwise, without any more fuss, it's not.

Sidenote: according to what i have said until now, ThinkPads have always been and currently are pro-level laptops (xeon cpus, multiple hard disks, removable bays, ports, docking stations, nvidia quadro cards, hi-res displays, intergated colorimeters, fingerprint readers, you name it).

Stop complaining and wasting your money, join the pro side.

Re:On 2016 Apple: What do “Pro” users want? by atemerev on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:59PM (#12971464)
Except that they are ugly (especially since IBM departure) and don't have macOS.

I was a long-time ThinkPad user before switching to Macs. Macbook Pros were more reliable and developer-friendlier. Until recently.

Re:On 2016 Apple: What do “Pro” users want? by slantyyz on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:58PM (#12971965)
>> Pro is more likely to be defined as something particular/peculiar that you do not find on other usual/consumer/widespread brands and accomodates very particular use-cases.

FWIW, Dell, HP and other vendors use the term "workstation" to cover what you're talking about.

IIRC, Schiller did use "workstation" in the keynote when he talked about connecting the MBP to two external 5K monitors, but in general, the meaning of "Pro" is so diluted (esp compared to "workstation") that it means different things to different people.

Re:On 2016 Apple: What do “Pro” users want? by znpy on Thursday November 17, 2016 @07:34AM (#12976864)
> FWIW, Dell, HP and other vendors use the term "workstation" to cover what you're talking about.

Yes, indeed. And as with many other things, Apple being Apple, decided to name their workstation differently.

Re:On 2016 Apple: What do “Pro” users want? by r00fus on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @05:54PM (#12972385)
> ThinkPads have always been and currently are pro-level laptops

Except for the offset trackpad and keyboard to support the 10-key numpad. It's not just ugly, it's not comfortable or usable. I know I'm not alone on this.

Re:On 2016 Apple: What do “Pro” users want? by znpy on Thursday November 17, 2016 @04:43AM (#12975941)
> ThinkPads have always been and currently are pro-level laptops Except for the offset trackpad and keyboard to support the 10-key numpad. It's not just ugly, it's not comfortable or usable. I know I'm not alone on this.

I agree.