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Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by croon on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:02AM (#12966251)
> I don't want regulation and lobbyists pushing their tech onto me as a solution. If anyone has advice, I think this is a great thread to share thoughts.

This is a prime example of how free capitalism will never regulate itself. Sure, you can vote with your dollar from what you know, but odds are you'll never find out about most of the crap a company pulls.

Too much regulation is obviously stifling to innovation as well. I don't have an answer, but I believe the solution lies somewhere in the middle, as with most things.

Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by knieveltech on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:52AM (#12966809)
That regulation is stifling innovation is in no way obvious. It is a commonly repeated talking point but I am unaware of any factual arguments that back this assertion up.
Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by croon on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:59AM (#12966847)
Well, it can at least be in situations where incumbants lobby for needlessly complex regulation to stifle competition. See: for example tax code and fda process for epipen alternatives.

And just for an, albeit small, recent example [1], where there could easily exist better solutions, and the regulation could be worded more generally instead of giving specific mandates.

I'm sure there are more and much better examples, but as with everything we humans do, there are good practices and bad practices.

[1] http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/14/502082110/...

Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by rglullis on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:14AM (#12967594)
Really?!

Just to give you one example that hits very close to home: the EU parliament recently start this push for companies that provide OTT communication services (Whatsapp, Skype, Viber, etc...) to comply to phone companies regulations.

Among other things, this would mean that all of the companies that provide end-to-end encryption would simply have to stop doing it, given that phone companies need to be able to provide "Lawful Interception".

Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by YeGoblynQueenne on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:38AM (#12967857)
The issue with that is not that innovation is being stiffled though, it's rather an issue of privacy.

For instance, there's nothing in that sort of regulation that prohibits any innovation on encryption that would reconcile the user's reasonable expectation of privacy with the authorities' wish to have access to the user's communications.

And the issue of appropriate and adequate safeguards of such innovation so that the authorities themselves don't misuse it, is yet another issue altogether.

Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by JoshTriplett on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @11:50AM (#12968801)
> The issue with that is not that innovation is being stiffled though, it's rather an issue of privacy.

Encryption was an innovation. Communication that's private as a matter of technology rather than as a matter of legislation is an innovation.

Along the same lines: recording and time-shifting video and audio was an innovation. Enshrining the state of copyright law at the time would have prohibited it.

Innovation often does things that existing developers, users, and regulators didn't anticipate.

> For instance, there's nothing in that sort of regulation that prohibits any innovation on encryption that would reconcile the user's reasonable expectation of privacy with the authorities' wish to have access to the user's communications.

There's nothing in that sort of regulation that prohibits perpetual motion machines or time travel, either. The resolution of those two expectations is that one side loses and the other wins; the only question is which.

Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by cookiecaper on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @01:14PM (#12969693)
IP law including copyrights and patents, as currently implemented, undoubtedly stifle innovation.
Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by Canutesun on Monday November 21, 2016 @03:12PM (#13008710)
Trying working at a startup in a heavily regulated industry, such as finance or telecommunications. It becomes obvious very quickly why those industries converge around large players, and that reason is a huge regulatory hurdle to even get started.
Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by xori on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @09:55AM (#12967372)
How about the Uber cases where cities or countries are banning the company because the Taxi companies are mad they are evading the transport regulations. http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-everywhere-uber-is-bann...
Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by knieveltech on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @10:57AM (#12968126)
Your claim that Uber is being banned because "taxi companies are mad" ignores several documented issues around driver safety, background checks, and driver pay (to name a few) that have been cited as cause for bans.
Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by st3v3r on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @02:26PM (#12970508)
"Too much regulation is obviously stifling to innovation as well."

I don't believe that for a second. Innovation is constantly happening.

Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by enkiv2 on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:26AM (#13006036)
The best way to encourage innovation is to "stifle" it by producing unusual and complex situations that require creativity to circumvent. Regulation, because it is at least theoretically a codification of the desires of a large population, forces whatever innovation happens into a set of forms that are expected to be in line with the good of the people, while simultaneously making anything achieved more innovative in proportion with how much more intellectual and creative effort was required to achieve it.
Re:Code I’m Still Ashamed Of by Canutesun on Monday November 21, 2016 @03:14PM (#13008741)
That's encouraging innovation, but it's innovation specifically related to the regulation. It's a bit like saying, the best way to help people climb to higher ground is to first drop them into a pit.