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Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by leereeves on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:10AM (#12929918)
Agriculture jobs never went anywhere.

There are still millions of jobs in agriculture and construction, but they are now poorly paid because they are performed by people who aren't protected by employment laws and have no negotiating power.

The only change that needs to be made is forcing agriculture and construction companies to obey the law.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by Fjolsvith on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:22AM (#12930313)
Perhaps the removal of an undocumented workforce that requires being paid under the table will force agricultural and construction companies to obey the laws.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by Fjolsvith on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:48AM (#12930547)
Downvoting, really? Are upvotes and downvotes a popularity contest?
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by maxerickson on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:03AM (#12931828)
To a large extent, yes. Try not to worry about it, they still help sort more interesting comments to the top.

(I gave you a net 0, upvoting your comment and downvoting your complaining)

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by luma on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:34AM (#12930419)
> Agriculture jobs never went anywhere.

I'm going to need a source on that. Here's mine: http://protecttheharvest.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/numb...

What do you think "productivity gains" means? It doesn't mean we need to hire more workers.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by leereeves on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:37AM (#12930452)
Oh, well, if you're talking about the jobs lost in the 1800's, I agree, those jobs aren't coming back.

But that graph is relatively flat since 1970, and I seriously doubt they were able to count all the jobs now being performed without documentation and not reported to the government.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by bduerst on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:27AM (#12930345)
This is the key distinction. Everyone is so quick to blame the immigrant, not the employer who paying them and dodging taxes.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by ptaipale on Friday November 11, 2016 @02:16PM (#12933439)
BTW, is it just about dodging taxes?

I could imagine that illegal immigrants are also a much easier workforce to manage. They won't be forming unions and going to strikes; if you want to terminate the employment, they won't go to a lawyer and sue you. They're humble, they're flexible.

(I don't know that job market so well and I don't even live in the US, but this is the perception I get from the system.)