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Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by luma on Friday November 11, 2016 @06:59AM (#12929856)
Agriculture jobs aren't coming back, and they weren't sent to China. Automation and productivity gains in agriculture have exploded, and as a result there isn't a lot of call for farmhands these days. Unless we move back to an agrarian existence, the rural poor are going to have to figure out something that doesn't involve a shovel.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by leereeves on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:10AM (#12929918)
Agriculture jobs never went anywhere.

There are still millions of jobs in agriculture and construction, but they are now poorly paid because they are performed by people who aren't protected by employment laws and have no negotiating power.

The only change that needs to be made is forcing agriculture and construction companies to obey the law.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by Fjolsvith on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:22AM (#12930313)
Perhaps the removal of an undocumented workforce that requires being paid under the table will force agricultural and construction companies to obey the laws.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by Fjolsvith on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:48AM (#12930547)
Downvoting, really? Are upvotes and downvotes a popularity contest?
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by maxerickson on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:03AM (#12931828)
To a large extent, yes. Try not to worry about it, they still help sort more interesting comments to the top.

(I gave you a net 0, upvoting your comment and downvoting your complaining)

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by luma on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:34AM (#12930419)
> Agriculture jobs never went anywhere.

I'm going to need a source on that. Here's mine: http://protecttheharvest.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/numb...

What do you think "productivity gains" means? It doesn't mean we need to hire more workers.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by leereeves on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:37AM (#12930452)
Oh, well, if you're talking about the jobs lost in the 1800's, I agree, those jobs aren't coming back.

But that graph is relatively flat since 1970, and I seriously doubt they were able to count all the jobs now being performed without documentation and not reported to the government.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by bduerst on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:27AM (#12930345)
This is the key distinction. Everyone is so quick to blame the immigrant, not the employer who paying them and dodging taxes.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by ptaipale on Friday November 11, 2016 @02:16PM (#12933439)
BTW, is it just about dodging taxes?

I could imagine that illegal immigrants are also a much easier workforce to manage. They won't be forming unions and going to strikes; if you want to terminate the employment, they won't go to a lawyer and sue you. They're humble, they're flexible.

(I don't know that job market so well and I don't even live in the US, but this is the perception I get from the system.)

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by 7952 on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:46AM (#12930107)
Perhaps there is a middle ground? People need food, and being able to grow your own saves money. Small scale production builds community and resilience. Perhaps people need to feel a connection to the land in rural areas. It is not just about food.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by soundwave106 on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:44AM (#12930511)
Our family owns a farm in Indiana (principle crop is corn) that is small by modern family farm standards (200 acres). We only need one person to manage the entire farm. I imagine only one person would be needed even if the acreage was much, much bigger. There is tremendous amounts of automation in planting and picking corn.

Small scale production might be better for connecting and jobs and whatnot, but that can't compete price wise. Our small farm isn't exactly a huge money maker as it is.

Modern farming is hardly just grunt work, a farmer has to be familiar with the land and the processes involved. It's actually a bit more technical than many may realize. And the salaries for farming reflect that; it is a pretty decently paid profession. People with this skillset won't go away. You just don't need many of these people per acre.

There is such a thing as labor-intensive crops, of course. But I speculate that any replacement for low-paid "illegal immigrant" grunt work would end up being automation in the end.