Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products That Are No Better

Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by SyneRyder on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:24AM (#12929426)

Geez, Microsoft keep shooting themselves in the foot. I feel done with Apple and I'm so ready to switch after the MacBook Pro 2016 dongle debacle & the glorious Surface Studio... but then I read things like this and see Windows uninstalling software without the user's permission (SmartFTP is the Windows FTP client I would use!) and realize that I just can't switch to Windows even if I want to.

Yesterday I fired up Windows 10 in a VM on my MacBook to get some development work done, only to find Windows go straight into installing updates while I'm on battery in a cafe & without my power cord. (But it insists "Don't Turn Off Your PC".) 90 minutes later (!) Windows finally launched... just as I had to run for my train home. I literally couldn't do my work that afternoon, all because of Windows.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by Insanity on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:28AM (#12929448)

You do not just have one choice to go with if you want to switch away from mac.

If you do not like mac nor windows, maybe give Linux a shot? If you care about the mac UI you can make Linux look like it.

For software development and normal usage I do not feel like I am missing out on something by using Debian on the desktop and Ubuntu on my laptop.

If you use some specialised software for design you might want to check compatibility though

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by SyneRyder on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:57AM (#12929594)

I'm seriously considering it now. I'm a consumer desktop software developer (making Photoshop plugins) so I'll have to use Windows & Mac at least in VMs, but maybe I can run Linux on the metal.

I haven't given Ubuntu a proper try, except the one time I tried to make my plugins work with GIMP & Wine. Elementary looks interesting as well - their website mentions some of the Apple attention to design detail that I appreciate.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by wuschel on Friday November 11, 2016 @06:16AM (#12929686)

After years of thinking and consideration, I switched recently. And behold... it is great. Just do it - there is so much choice that I am sure you will find your sweet spot.

My suggestions: Xubuntu or Ubuntu w/o all the nasties, Elementary OS, Debian, Arch Linux or a BSD flavour.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by milankragujevic on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:33AM (#12930034)

Only if you don't have AMD hardware. I bought a laptop with some AMD A10 APU, integrated R7 graphics and a 1366x768 display. Installed Ubuntu to use it instead of Windows 10 because Windows 7 doesn't want to install on a UEFI machine where the HDD is somehow invisible to it and you can't use a USB 3 port because the installer fails to boot and all other nasties.

So I install Ubuntu and am greeted by a broken screen, where 2/3 of the screen are on the right and 1/3 is on the left, like somebody cut a piece of film badly so it's the previous frame and the current frame together.

I asked around and apparently Ubuntu 16.10 doesn't do AMD anymore because AMD didn't write a proper GPU driver, and the old driver for Ubuntu 12.04 (that's from April 2012 haha) is broken totally for new hardware.

So here am I using Windows 7 Pro in a virtual machine on Windows 10 home which constantly bugs me with notifications, is very slow, eats battery and is generally horrible.

Meanwhile my MacBook Air (which only has 4GB of RAM because I bought it with my own money and I'm freelancing and am 16 years old) is laughing in the background...

So, no, Linux is not the solution... :/

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by majewsky on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:32AM (#12930396)

This seems to be a problem with the APUs then. I have a Linux-based home server with an AMD CPU that works just fine, and a dual-boot gaming PC with Intel CPU and dedicated AMD GPU that also works wonderfully. (With the open-source drivers. Don't even bother with the Catalyst shit and go straight for Mesa.)

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by dman on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:29AM (#12932091)

Use 16.04 for now. I have the same chip and the driver from here works on 16.04 flawlessly - http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GP...

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by milankragujevic on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:37AM (#12930057)

Proof: http://i.imgur.com/3wlPZZE.jpg

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by wuschel on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:52AM (#12930124)

I see. Sad to see this development, and thanks for bringing this up. The ability to run linux flavours is now definitely a purchase criterium for me when it comes to new hardware.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by ta834939874 on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:48AM (#12929558)

I actually quite enjoyed running Windows 10, but have linux installed on all my machines.

Having said that, battery life on my laptops are terrible with linux out of the box.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by wineisfine on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:47AM (#12929546)

I was literally thinking exactly the same. Apple alienating us, and then when you look back at Microsoft, they're still really haven't changed.

So I'm going to give Linux a real shot, and improve my knowledge of it, as added benefit along the way. I'm investigating now which distro to start with.

For all web dev coding work, there should be no problem.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by roryisok on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:14AM (#12931308)

One of the things MS announced recently was differential updates, so essential updates like this will be a lot smaller and take a lot less time. I still think they shouldn't force them on us though.

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by quickben on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:27AM (#12929442)

What type of drive does your MacBook have?

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Re:Microsoft Kills off ISVs by Foisting Its Own Products Tha... by SyneRyder on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:47AM (#12929551)

It's an old school 1TB HDD, because I really need the storage. The drive is full of VMs of every version of Windows for cross platform testing - I actually use my Mac to mostly write Windows software!

Good point though, maybe I'll be happier if I just fork out for a 2TB SSD. But at the time Apple wanted $800 for a 1TB SSD and I wasn't prepared to pay Apple's inflated prices.

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