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Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:37PM (#12916030)
Average coal miner salary is ~$22/hr, or ~$42k/year.

Social security safety net is better than 0, which is where coal is going to regardless, no matter how much we attempt to prop it up. Can't compete against fuels with zero marginal cost. Every coal company in the US is currently bankrupt.

I am open to better ideas if you have them. My proposal removes coal-fired generation and provides for workers at the same time, affordably.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ceterum_censeo on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:21PM (#12917152)
We're talking a difference of $10k/year, that's a lot of money. And you're speaking of miners at the lowest rungs of the ladder: what of those more experienced, or the geologists and mining engineers who are paid 2--3 times more?

Your solution doesn't provide for the workers. I'm sure you're sincere, but a handout from the government is not perceived as a substitute for challenging, meaningful, and respectable work. Basic income proposals don't generally seem to consider pride, other than what I see as nebulous handwaving about how one would be free to pursue their dreams. What dreams are there in coal country when there is no coal? I don't see BI alone as helping to sustain or resurrect a community and associated way of life whose primary industry is one you've eliminated.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:55PM (#12917314)
I haven't figured out how to make myself happy in life; creating a societal structure that allows for everyone to find what makes them happy is far beyond my limited capabilities. Ensuring that people don't go hungry or die from exposure is within my grasp.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by FashionExist on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:49AM (#12919054)
you bull-shiting from your arm chair is your attempt to solve this issue of pride meaningfulness in life. this is pretty meta, but are you really lacking this much self-awareness? Workers want to do productive meaningful work. This is why many flock to startups with all its risk. People want interesting work and yet you do not seem to understand that.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by grzm on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:26PM (#12917186)
You make good points. We do have to figure out ways to transition out of a particular industry. Open questions (not aimed at parent): Have transitions like these been made successfully in the past? Are there particularly bad examples of what we should make sure we avoid (Detroit)? We can't be the first to have thought about this. Anyone know of studies/histories we can refer to?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ethbro on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:15PM (#12916324)
Next up: truck drivers.