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Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mywittyname on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:30PM (#12915965)
So Mexicans start using bitcoin, amazon gift cards, or something like that. Or we end up with "underground banks" that can effectively transfer money across the border without actually doing so, i.e., you buy a digital good at a physical location in the US, transfer it to a relative in Mexico, who then sells it back to the company at a slight discount for cash (which, as a side-effect, would be a great way to launder drug money).

Or I guess, you bounce money through Belize or something.

Either way, it doesn't sound very effective.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by throwawaymsft on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:17PM (#12917420)
You realize this same logic could seemingly dismiss any regulation (assault weapons, child labor, tax evasion), right?

"People will smuggle illegal guns from abroad. Or buy the parts and assemble them. Or get a machine shop and make them."

A regulation, no matter its aim, does not require 100% compliance to be an effective deterrent. I'm not saying this plan will work, but a generic "people will get around it" argument is not illuminating.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by superbatfish on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:27PM (#12917716)
>You realize this same logic could seemingly dismiss any regulation

Well, kinda, but not to same degree. Wired money is obviously way easier to smuggle than physical goods...

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by throwawaymsft on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:41PM (#12917797)
Sure; some rules are easier to circumvent than others. The real question is whether it's onerous enough to act as a deterrent, not whether some people will circumvent it.

In this thread someone said it's like trying to stop the import of illegal drugs. Regulations seem to work for Singapore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc...

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by critiqjo on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:29AM (#12918946)
> The real question is whether it's onerous enough to act as a deterrent, not whether some people will circumvent it.

Deterring what? "Illegal immigration" or "people walking across the border"? If it is the former, then that plan is just so stupid to be of any value. Banning transfer of money from US to Mexico to make Mexico pay for "building a 10 ft high border-wall" is ... wow, just saying that out loud feels weird.

(PS: I'm neither an American nor a Mexican!)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by throwawaymsft on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:26PM (#12923391)
From Trump's perspective, Mexico benefits by having illegal immigrants in the US send money back to Mexico. There is no real reason for Mexico to enforce the border. Trump wants to deter this behavior (not enforcing the border) by assigning a cost (no more wire transfers back).

I'm not making a judgment here, just trying to clarify the worldview.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by dsl on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:32PM (#12916468)
Operating a monetary transmittal service in the United States without implementing KYC-AML (which is what he is basing this on) is practically suicide. Even retailers will send you to customer service to complete a form for buying too many gift cards.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mabbo on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:10PM (#12916291)
My thoughts exactly. I'm going to go launch a Spanish bitcoin buy/sell website.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by smm2000 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:21AM (#12918406)
And you will go to jail really fast for operating unlicensed money transfer service. They will also add something about facilitating terrorism to add a few more years to your sentence.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mabbo on Thursday November 10, 2016 @06:30AM (#12919524)
American law applies to Americans. I'll operate my Bitcoin website from Mexico, who would have every reason to protect me.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by critiqjo on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:33AM (#12918974)
Only if mabbo is in the US, right?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by awesomerobot on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:50PM (#12917292)
Basically it's like saying you want to ban illegal drugs from entering the country.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by joesb on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:07AM (#12918345)
Except drugs are physical while money doesn't have to be.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by awesomerobot on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:13AM (#12920480)
Which only makes banning transfers additionally backwards
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by throwawaymsft on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:43PM (#12917805)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc...

Singapore has the lowest rates in the world. Sometimes regulations have the intended effect.