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Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nickpsecurity on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:37PM (#12915468)
This is actually pretty good and what I was expecting of him once he got to stop the smear campaigns that are U.S. elections. Now, let me cross-reference a few that might be good against what he's said or done in the past where I think he might try to make them happen with a possibility they will.

1. Renegotiate NAFTA and TPP. I opposed both as they were mainly just for the richest to get richer moving jobs & playing games behind peoples' backs. He might clean them up a bit or make them favor U.S. more.

2. Foreign trading abuses. He griped about that on the Oprah show especially pointing out how the Japanese make it nearly impossible for him to do business in their country. He said many of the countries supposedly have trade agreements to make it easy but they trip us up with little obstacles. He'll probably stand by that.

3. Shift from UN to American infrastructure. I have doubts climate change strategies will work at all given how they're partial with lots of noncompliance. Meanwhile, those infrastructure aren't getting much support. Lesser of two evils.

4. Cancel unconstitutional EO's of Obama. I'm for doing that for all Presidents. He should start at Bush by vetoing Patriot Act, mass surveillance, etc. We know he said Obama for a reason, though. (sighs)

5. My family and many local businesses were affected heavily by illegal immigrants where lots of people lost jobs. We've also been hit with the fine letter of the law repeatedly. I'm for tight immigration policies & fair enforcement of law. Opposite of this coin is he should start arresting or fining any business owners that knowingly hired illegal immigrants just to be fair. There are two sides to that problem.

6. Tax Simplification. Often good.

7. Discourage offshoring. Should've been doing that along with maintaining a strong industrial base domestically. A huge chunk of our economy is financial engineering. Need more real stuff.

8. Child and elderly care. Sounds good.

9. Help veterans part of the National Security Act. They've been getting dogged by the system pretty bad that I've seen.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Angostura on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:13PM (#12915806)
> I have doubts climate change strategies will work at all given how they're partial with lots of noncompliance. Meanwhile, those infrastructure aren't getting much support. Lesser of two evils.

Sorry, but once the worst effects of climate change kick in, your infrastructure won't last terribly long at all.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nickpsecurity on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:37PM (#12916898)
That's my point. I don't think it will. So, let's be comfortable while we can. Also encourage people to try to do something about it but self-interest in short-term seems to prevail on this issue.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Angostura on Friday November 11, 2016 @03:24AM (#12928923)
Simply saying 'I don't think it will' is to ignore the best science that we have available today. It is a shrug. It does not suffice.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nickpsecurity on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:13AM (#12931302)
That's a mere dismissal. What's the best science we have today? Much of what I saw showed there was a point of no return. Some of it thought we passed it. All of them were clear humanity would have to massively work together to sacrifice most of the CO2 and methane-producing stuff they love to turn it around. Stuff that so much of the economy and politicians' elections depend on.

The evidence I've seen is solidly in the "we're screwed no matter what a few companies or countries do" territory.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by pvelagal on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:52PM (#12916171)
"7.Discourage offshoring. Should've been doing that along with maintaining a strong industrial base domestically. A huge chunk of our economy is financial engineering. Need more real stuff."

I am from India, and here is my observation. Why do American voters expect their "politicians"(be it democrat/republican) to stop offshoring, when these guys seem to have absolutely have no control over individual companies doing that ? Isnt offshoring an individual company/corp's prerogative ? The voter expectations and the laws, look mutually exclusive to me.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nickpsecurity on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:41PM (#12916929)
" Why do American voters expect their "politicians"(be it democrat/republican) to stop offshoring, when these guys seem to have absolutely have no control over individual companies doing that"

They do have quite a bit of control. The companies are doing it primarily because they lobbied politicians to pass laws and treaties to make it easier for them in the first place. Such things can be reversed although the consequences will be huge. Shouldn't be done suddenly which is what I don't like about what he'll probably do.

Far as voter expectations, those against globalization see the government there to meet their needs. This includes protecting their jobs and wages. The offshoring has been negative for those here while positive for them elsewhere (eg India). Incentivizing companies to hire Americans and pay them well increases quality of life here plus gives us stronger, internal economy.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by novia on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:13PM (#12915804)
Yeah, you get child and elder care if you make enough money to owe enough taxes to cover those bills. Poor? Working minimum wage? Sorry, I guess your kid gets to stay at home with gramma to kill two birds with one stone.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by davidw on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:57PM (#12916646)
I'm kind of realizing that my wife and I are in a decent financial position and have good jobs and that things like

* Killing Obamacare and leaving millions without health insurance (but lowering premiums!)

* Lowering taxes on high earners

* Child care credits for high earners and not for the poor

Would all benefit us. The angry cynical part of my brain kind of urges me towards a "you know what, all those white-no-education-economic-malaise people who voted for him are going to get just what they deserve.".

But there's also all the fascist stuff about deportations and walls and I don't want to live in a me me me society anyway, so I'll do what I can to fight this garbage.

Among other things, I just signed up for the ACLU: https://action.aclu.org/secure/renew-your-aclu-membership

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by aminok on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:48PM (#12916969)
Counteracting a me me me society with authoritarian mandates forcing people to give to the poor cannot be morally justified in my opinion.

The just use of the law is to punish those who violate the rights of others, not those who don't meet our personal moral standards on acting altruistically. The latter is treading on theocratic ideology.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nickpsecurity on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:38PM (#12916911)
There's already welfare in existence to help poor among elderly or children. This at least appears to be an increase over that.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by postcarnival on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:54PM (#12917587)
thank you for a coherent post, I had to scroll to near the bottom past the liberal cesspool above to get to this...