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Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by neolefty on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:47PM (#12912594)
I'll even dispute the "widespread developer backlash" -- it looks good to me, and this reception seems no different from the reception to previous Apple products that broke with the past (no floppy drive, USB for keyboard & mouse, etc.)

It's temporarily painful, but USB C seems like a tremendous improvement, and 4 full ports is mighty.

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by aarpmcgee on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:24PM (#12913075)
Personally, as a developer, I also have no trouble whatsoever with the new macbook pro. shrug
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by DigitalJack on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:53PM (#12912658)
I'm inclined to agree with you, but I sure will miss the magsafe. I knock mine out at least once or twice a week. Maybe someone will make a USB-C cable with a magnetic breakaway in the middle.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by unprepare on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @12:55PM (#12912683)
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by inopinatus on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:09PM (#12913511)
Please do not recommend the Griffin product for the MacBook Pro. It is not rated for 87W.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by bri3d on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:28PM (#12914294)
Shouldn't it negotiate with the Source using its Cable Identifier and simply provide 60W (20V @ 3A) maximum to the MBP? So a slow charge, but not dangerous?

Has anyone tested this scenario in real life? I'd imagine that if the machine is idle, 60W would at least provide break-even, and in sleep, should be able to charge it. But that's assuming that the identity negotiation works properly with this hardware combination.

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by bartvk on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:09AM (#12918351)
I haven't calculated it, but I don't see that laptop consume more than 60W.

Unless you've got all CPU and GPU cores blazing, and one or more devices quick-charging. And then it'll temporarily dip into the battery.

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by unprepare on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:11AM (#12920035)
I wasnt trying to recommend a specific product, which is why i linked to the search rather than a specific product page.

I havent used any of them so wouldnt feel comfortable recommending any individual model

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by hinkley on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:08PM (#12912847)
What I really want is a dongle that lets me use my existing magsafe bricks with the new MBP. Is there one of those coming?
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by tim333 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:39PM (#12913235)
There's a cheap Chinese one on Amazon but apparently it doesn't work properly https://www.amazon.com/HIOTECH-MagSafe-Adapter-Converter-Con...
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by FireBeyond on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:55PM (#12913380)
Sounds exactly like something I want to plug into my brand new up-to-$4K laptop...
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by hinkley on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:48PM (#12913938)
The other guys managed to design one with a < 3mm profile. It should be possible, shouldn't it?

The big problem would be with the voltage. But it looks like the USB-3.1 spec supports 20 volts (same as the 85W brick that comes with high end MBPs), and the mac power bricks only send 3-7V until they've had a handshake with the computer.

So it seems at least within the realm of physics that you could make a dongle about the size of the old magsafe-1 to magsafe-2 adapter...

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by gknoy on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:00PM (#12913436)
Wow, that's cool. There are apparently ones for micro USB, which means that ... I can have a magsafe adapter for my phone. I might have to buy one, as my kids destroyed the last charger they tried to unplug from my phone.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by seanp2k2 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:18PM (#12913606)
Now they just need to get USB-C on the next iPhone, and everyone will complain that Lightning was fine. They should have done USB-C from the beginning for lightning, but it wasn't ready yet (and still really isn't in terms of ecosystem and standardization in practice).
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by eltoozero on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:37PM (#12913824)
> USB-C on the next iPhone

Not gonna happen, iOS devices are Apple devices.

The best you can hope for is a short 1st party lightning to USB-C female, but this probably won't happen for a while as USB-C spec requires ANYTHING with a receptacle to talk to the thing on the other end.

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by AlphaSite on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:16PM (#12914748)
USBc was a response to lighting, so that would be difficult.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by mpweiher on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @01:42PM (#12913266)
While I haven't tried it yet, as far as I can tell the USB-C connectors have a lot less friction than other connectors, so maybe magsafe is just simply less necessary now?
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by hartator on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:06PM (#12914112)
Less friction?
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by qyv on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:32PM (#12914331)
USB type-C/Thunderbolt 3 is a fantastic technology, but I guarantee you that USB type-A devices will still be around by the time these new USBC-only MBP's are replaced. Embracing the future at the expense of the present is not innovative or courageous, it is intentionally designed to sell more accessories.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by apetrovic on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:15PM (#12914738)
Oh, come on. Just a quick search "usb c to usb a" on Amazon gives lots of options. This [1] is two compact adapters for $8. Buy couple of these, put it on every cable you're using and you're golden.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Adapter-MacBook-Google-OnePlus/...

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by qyv on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:25PM (#12915355)
That's not the point.

Here is what you can say about USB-A: * Ubiquitous; it is literally everywhere on this planet * Extremely cheap, reliable and easy to use * Not actually a competitor to USB-C/TB3 * Does not prevent the inclusion of USB-C/TB3 * Does not present packaging or legacy support issues

USB-C/TB3 is a great technology and I wouldn't want to buy a system without at least one port, but it is NOT a replacement for USB-A yet. USB-A will continue to be the most prevalent peripheral connector for long after these new MBP's are retired.

I will add: USB-C/TB3 is not exactly easy to use at this point. The convenience of using that same port for both protocols (TB3 and USB3.1) is introducing confusion. Not every USB-C port/peripheral is also a TB3 port/peripheral, this includes adapters and dongles. Additionally, the power options of USB-C/TB3 add another wrinkle: what hubs/docks/devices can provide enough power to charge specific devices? Not to mention that the current crop of USB-C/TB3 accessories don't always 'just work'[1]. Hopefully this will get better, but again it is not going to displace USB-A for a long, long time.

[1] http://www.apple.com/ca/shop/reviews/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital...

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by EugeneOZ on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:24PM (#12915916)
Pay for new shiny ports and then pay for cheap adapters to make ports less new and less handy and less portable, but usable. Awesome idea.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by thescriptkiddie on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:06PM (#12914109)
Four ports is not enough. If you plug in three displays and a charger, they're all taken already. At the very least a fifth port for a usb hub, or a usb hub integrated into the charger, should have been included.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by mikestew on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:57PM (#12914571)
If you plug in three displays and a charger...

...then you're the kind of person that has no problem plugging all of that stuff into a hub so that you only have one cable to connect.

It's a made-up problem with an easy solution that is arguably the only correct solution. If Apple put five ports on there, I suspect your imaginary scenario would then involve four displays.

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by thescriptkiddie on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:34PM (#12917755)
You can't plug USB type C displays into hubs, they need to be connected directly. A display with a built in hub (like the thunderbolt display) is possible but doesn't yet exist. My imaginary scenario doesn't involve 4 external displays because the Intel chipset in the macbook can only drive 4 displays total, including the internal one.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by stephenr on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:28PM (#12914293)
You expect to have four usb-c/tb3 displays, but none of them to provide power to your laptop?

If you want a hub, plug in a usb-c hub that provides power and it will power the laptop.

Do people even read about how things work before they make up crazy scenarios to justify their outrage?

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by takeda on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:23PM (#12915340)
With issues like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o I'm having doubts if the new mac book can even handle 3 displays.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by fatbird on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @04:06PM (#12914651)
Just to add to the pile-on, displays are the new hubs. If you're plugging into even 1, you can get a whole range of ports available again.
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by bartvk on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:26AM (#12918423)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204154

It says use Thunderbolt, and you can daisy-chain a display. Thus, with 1 port you can connect two Thunderbolt displays.

It also says it doesn't support more than two displays in any case.

Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by purerandomness on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @03:56PM (#12914557)
If you plug in three displays, why would you get a portable laptop in the first place?
Re:New MacBook Pro outsold every competing laptop in just fi... by hatchoo on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:54PM (#12916623)
Because one may occasionally needs to also bring it out?

You have the option of "docking" a portable but you will never be able to conveniently lug along something like a desktop unless you carry some display device along with it.