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Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by misiti3780 on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @01:39PM (#12902772)
I just finished "The Originals" and he basically has a whole chapter on how first movers advantage is bullshit.

Taken from the book:

* Studies show this does not exist

* Since market is more defined when settlers enter, they can focus on providing superior quality instead of deliberating about what to offer in the first place

* Risk seekers are drawn to being first, and they're prone to impulsive decisions. Risk-adverse entrepreneurs watch from the sidelines, waiting for the right opportunity and balancing their risk portfolios before entering.

* Failure rates aof 47%/8% (first movers / settlers)

Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by CalChris on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @03:04PM (#12903469)
Case in point: Google was not a first mover. More like 21st.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine

Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by frandroid on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @07:54PM (#12905301)
But Google was the first mover with its way of sorting the data from web pages, by building PageRank.
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by mandeepj on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @10:01PM (#12905781)
> But Google was the first mover with its way of sorting the data from web pages, by building PageRank.

That was better execution

Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by elwell on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @06:52PM (#12905056)
Facebook too
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by at-fates-hands on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @02:41PM (#12903303)
>> Risk seekers are drawn to being first, and they're prone to impulsive decisions. Risk-adverse entrepreneurs watch from the sidelines, waiting for the right opportunity and balancing their risk portfolios before entering.

SO much wisdom in this. It's actually really smart to see a company jump into a market, make several failures and then you can slide in without having to take the amount of risk the "first to market" companies had to take.

Tons of real world examples. The most obvious is how Apple iphones were designed and then copied by the rest of the industry. Samsung, et al allowed Apple to define what users wanted, then piggy backed their design to take advantage of the popularity of their design without sacrificing the risk to find out for themselves, or develop something cough original cough.

Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by cpayne on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @07:09PM (#12905130)
The Nokia N95 was VERY similar to first iPhones. Heck, Steve Jobs is even quoted (quoting Picasso) as saying "Good artists copy; great artists steal"[1]

[1] https://www.cnet.com/au/news/what-steve-jobs-really-meant-wh...

Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by nitrogen on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @03:52PM (#12903816)
You can also view it the other way around. Phones and MP3 players existed before the iPhone and iPod, and Apple learned from others' attempts.
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by rpedela on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @02:43PM (#12903318)
I haven't read the book, but from my experience I have found that truly new ideas/products are much harder to explain (I have tried a couple). If someone is already using a competing or similar product then you can say it is like X but here is how we are different/better. If you are the first mover, then you have to explain what X is, why X is useful, and why they should pay for X. Being a first mover is also riskier because there isn't proof that there is a market yet.
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by cpayne on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @07:04PM (#12905105)
This is why the whole startup space drives me mad!

You can do a whole lot of naval gazing, and then what are you left with?

First movers are hard, because (as you've described) you have to educate the market, and then give a reason to buy.

Think about the marketing effort of Lotus-123 vs Excel.

Or Twitter vs Facebook

Or Dwarf Fortress vs Minecraft

This is why I think Scott Adam's book "How to fail at almost everything and still win big" is brilliant. He suggests focusing on the process (get the process right) and the goal will look after itself

Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by gnicholas on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @05:21PM (#12904487)
yep, this is the "second-mover advantage." It doesn't always outweigh the first-mover advantage (especially where network effects exist), but it can in some cases.
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by kristianp on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @07:24PM (#12905190)
Who wrote "the originals"? Google only seems to know about a Vampire series of that name.
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by rpedela on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @07:32PM (#12905224)
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by kristianp on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @08:51PM (#12905507)
Thanks. So it's called "Originals", not "the originals" as misiti wrote.
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by misiti3780 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @02:09AM (#12906963)
my bad!
Re:How to pick startup ideas (2015) by slinger on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @02:31PM (#12903222)
That makes sense. Thanks for sharing