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Re:“The whole world ought to be concerned”: HK lawyers on Be... by vinceguidry on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @11:00AM (#12901264)
What, exactly, do you think Hong Kong could possibly do to preserve their freedoms? China has been moving its citizens over to Hong Kong for a decade now, citizens who answer to the Communist Party and vote Communist in all matters. How many more years do you think they'll have to do that before the people who grew up in the old system are completely outvoted in every matter?

I'll all for standing up to the man, but let's get real, this battle is unwinnable. Even if all of Hong Kong decided to really start fighting to preserve their way of life, China would just declare martial law and that will be that.

Re:“The whole world ought to be concerned”: HK lawyers on Be... by rawnlq on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @01:14PM (#12902553)
Mainlanders actually have to go through a lot of hoops to move to Hong Kong so I am pretty sure you have no clue what you're talking about. They don't even speak the same dialect.

I am pretty sure you had no idea about the mass protests[1] that are ongoing in the past few years either. How can you look at this crowd of several hundred thousand protesters and claim that they are powerless?

Another Tiananmen square probably can't happen again in the digital age. Or maybe it can, but only due to our defeatist indifference.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hong_Kong_protests

[2]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-30390820

Re:“The whole world ought to be concerned”: HK lawyers on Be... by vinceguidry on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @01:42PM (#12902790)
Okay, ask yourself exactly what these protests can hope to accomplish. Protests happen all the time, everywhere. Nobody hears about them because the state controls the media. Nothing happens because the Communist Party has plenty of people there taking notes on who is there and they keep careful tabs on them.

If it starts to look like they're getting uppity, they'll get a visit from their local Party leadership and gently encouraged to stop their foolishness. Escalate as appropriate.

Defeatism is precisely appropriate here. You have to ask yourself how badly you want change. Enough to put your family's livelihood at risk?

Nothing here is worth fighting a war over, and that's what it would take to meaningfully change the way politics is conducted in China. Everybody's best bet is to just fall in line and hope the Party doesn't totally bungle this five year plan.