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Re:Software Developers: how to get a raise without changing ... by hvidgaard on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @02:56AM (#12898448)
> it doesn't matter what you say the raise limits are for a person, the market sets those things and the market right now says you're wrong

This is very common. They often justify it with "In this company we're not paying as much, but we have greater freedom/cooler tech/<other benefit>". Well good for you. We have already established that we're a good fit, but I'm not working for 20% less than I can across the street.

Re:Software Developers: how to get a raise without changing ... by kasey_junk on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @05:19AM (#12899033)
I don't think there is anything wrong with justifying a lower pay rate that way. I have definitely taken lower paying jobs for those very reasons. When you are making that value proposition you accept that some potential employees you'll miss out on because the money is not there.

The problematic behavior is when the people setting the pay bands get the value proposition wrong or they think they are paying market when they are not.

Re:Software Developers: how to get a raise without changing ... by reitanqild on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @05:39AM (#12899135)
Well, ATM I tell everyone that unless they add 15% to my current salary I won't even listen; I love the place I work ATM, they have been consistently nice for 18 months straight and I actually enjoy work.

I also have an OK salary so this is partially about reducing risk and partially about giving something back.

Re:Software Developers: how to get a raise without changing ... by madeofpalk on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @06:53AM (#12899495)
They can try and justify it, but as it turns out I can't pay the rent with "greater freedom".
Re:Software Developers: how to get a raise without changing ... by crdoconnor on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @09:29AM (#12900455)
IME that's usually a lie. Worse working conditions almost always correlated with lower pay.