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Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by stale2002 on Monday November 07, 2016 @01:24PM (#12893462)
GMO doesn't really do anything that nature can't do.

Any risks in GMO could also arise naturally via evolution.

If evolution could produce super plants, then it would have done so.

Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by Bartweiss on Monday November 07, 2016 @02:17PM (#12894000)
Bear in mind, though... "Anything nature can do" covers plenty of toxic, teratogenic, or carcinogenic results. The plants that evolved to kill us are ones we don't eat.

Blanket fear of "GMO crops" is obviously foolish, because the relevant question is "what genes does it have?" rather than "how did the genes get there?" But that doesn't rule out sensible concern about the higher rate of change on GMOs, and the ability to transfer potentially-dangerous genes wholesale.

The basic safety measure of natural selection and human cultivation is the rate of change. If a cultivar makes some people somewhat sick, it won't catch on or become universal, and it won't be intensified to something lethal. The real danger of GMOs is that they suspend that precaution - they can produce abrupt changes in an entire national crop. So the risks aren't different, but they might not be caught until they've done far more harm.

Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by m0th87 on Monday November 07, 2016 @01:27PM (#12893489)
Sure, but on an evolutionary scale, humans and other dependent species have time to catch up to the changes. That's not true for changes wrought from GM.
Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by linkregister on Monday November 07, 2016 @01:41PM (#12893618)
Plant breeding has brought many adverse emergent properties. It involves selecting for a few alleles while having no way to prevent unintended alleles from being bred in. Introduction of invasive species have permanently degraded many ecosystems. The current method of mass-farming agriculture spreads purpose-bred plants around the world. The current method of agriculture is also high risk.
Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by pluma on Monday November 07, 2016 @01:48PM (#12893687)
You can't speak of an "evolutionary scale" when there are literally intelligent designers at work, carefully cross-breeding each generation for optimal results.

It's a slower process than direct genetic manipulation, sure, but "evolutionary" implies thousands or even millions of years when the reality is closer to decades.

Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by Bartweiss on Monday November 07, 2016 @02:19PM (#12894031)
This is true enough, but even decades is a far different time frame from the average GMO. 30 years of directed breeding generally means a one-off cultivar being bred into something new and then popularized. The current GMO cycle involves a 1-5 years of test plantings, followed by national distribution.

So agreed, the evolutionary scale isn't applicable here, but it's still worth noting that GMOs represent a substantial acceleration from the directed-breeding scale.

Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by pluma on Tuesday November 08, 2016 @08:36AM (#12900068)
Except "atomic gardening" is considered "organic", so triggering random mutations and seeing what works is much faster than "30 years of directed breeding".

https://mvd.iaea.org

Re:We’re Scientists, Moms, And We Avoid Non-GMO Products by linkregister on Monday November 07, 2016 @01:43PM (#12893640)
It actually has already; invasive species choke out indigenous plants and permanently alter existing ecosystems.