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Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by therealmarv on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:03AM (#12891542)
ok, but you are only seeing the downsides, let me add the benefits:

- more efficient CPU (less battery is possible without less battery runtime)

- better display (Display P3 color, more nits)

- better sound

- lighter

- better structural engineering (all metal, even the hinges) and therefor also no apple backlight (which makes the structural part better).

- Charging with normal smartphone battery packs is now possible.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by endymi0n on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:15AM (#12891668)
Sorry, but this is wrong.

"less battery is possible without less battery runtime" -> doesn't work with CPU bound software like Hangouts or external appliances that need to be powered. Fact is the battery is much smaller.

- Better display: granted

- Better sound: Nope, there's no substitute for bass response, all of which gets better the larger the speaker and enclosure is

- Lighter: Yes. This is a professional's priority number 2749 though.

- Structural engineering: It's half as thin. If you know mechanics, you'd need a material double as tough in order to make up for the loss in structural stability. Not gonna happen, maybe their most recent super duper aluminum alloy is 20-30% tougher. Overall, a thinner structure is ALWAYS more brittle.

All in all, OP is completely right: This simply isn't a professional machine.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by dpark on Monday November 07, 2016 @11:21AM (#12892223)
> Lighter: Yes. This is a professional's priority number 2749 though.

I use my laptop in a professional capacity and weight is a huge factor for me. I carry my laptop everywhere.

Incremental yearly changes in weight have generally not been that impressive but in aggregate the difference is huge. Go pick up a 10-year-old laptop and you'll probably agree.

> Structural engineering: It's half as thin. If you know mechanics, you'd need a material double as tough in order to make up for the loss in structural stability.

I'm no mechanical engineer, but I don't believe that's correct. There are a number of factors that impact the structural stability of an item. The internal structure has a huge impact, which is why I-beams exist.

It's also not as if the space saved is the result of just milling out half of the original aluminum. The actual metal case is probably the same thickness or close.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by blackoil on Monday November 07, 2016 @11:35AM (#12892335)
most developer(few thousand) in my company and most other I know of work for hours on desk in stretch, attend few meetings within office, use it some more in commute, back at home work/play some more on desk/bed. Once in few months travel to client/remote office/conference where they have to carry it for stretch. I expect same pattern from graphic/app designers, animators, video editor and PROfessionals in general. Sure marketing, consultant and similar profile move a lot but they don't need a pro level performance.

So a lightweight/reasonable performance Macbook line and a little heavier/high performance Macbook Pro makes so much more sense.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by dpark on Monday November 07, 2016 @04:38PM (#12895407)
You're describing people who are picking up and carrying their laptops multiple times per day and carry it back and forth to work and home every day. These people seem like the target market for a lightweight laptop.
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by blackoil on Monday November 07, 2016 @09:53PM (#12897227)
carrying but not for long, never seen a programmer wary of to carry their current Macbook Pro few floors down the lift and then walk to meeting room. If you start feeling the weight for this little, problem is not your laptop. And, I am all for lightweight if that does not include compromise in battery life and performance.
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by dpark on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:28PM (#12897369)
I don't think I said that people have trouble carrying their laptops. No one really had trouble carrying 10 lb laptops either but it's quite a bit nicer to carry a modern lighter laptop.

Forever people have said that they would prefer a heavier laptop with a bigger battery and for better or worse, companies have generally ignored that. I don't think it's really a "pro" issue either way.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by anon12345690 on Monday November 07, 2016 @08:39PM (#12896925)
The scenarios you describe are not that bad. People are just fine carrying a few pounds around.
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by snovv_crash on Monday November 07, 2016 @02:54PM (#12894394)
I am a mechanical engineer. GP is correct: if the skin stays the same thickness, then halving the distance between the two skins halves the strength to resist bending. Central reinforcement, like an I beam, don't help with the bending force but rather stops the two skins from moving towards or away from each other, AKA buckling. The other way it helps is as a shear web, in that it stops the skins from sliding past each other.

But basically, for a laptop to be half the thickness and equivalently strong it will need the structure to be twice as heavy, as the skins and webbing need to be twice as thick. That leaves even less room for battery, quiet fans and replaceable components, a high price to pay for something which is labeled "Pro".

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by dpark on Monday November 07, 2016 @06:06PM (#12896090)
Well, I'm not a mechanical engineer, so I won't argue this further. Nonetheless, this discussion is irrelevant unless the new MacBook pros are too easy to bend, which I don't believe is a known issue. I've never heard of anyone having bending issues with MacBook Airs, so I don't see why it would be an issue here.
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by anon12345690 on Monday November 07, 2016 @08:39PM (#12896920)
I also carry my laptop everywhere and have never felt the weight to be an issue. Perhaps you should go to the gym more. The last-gen laptops weigh less than a decent hardcover book. How is that too much to deal with?
Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by matthewmacleod on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:21AM (#12891730)
This simply isn't a professional machine.

It's far from clear that this is 'simple'.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by falcolas on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:48AM (#12891936)
> Charging with normal smartphone battery packs is now possible.

I was going to rebut this statement as useless (my instincts were telling me that it should be under 10% of the total built-in battery), then I did the math. Your typical high capacity charging pack providing 15,000 mAh actually has almost double the capacity of a built in battery for the 13" MBP.

15,000 mAh * 5V / 1000 = 75 watt-hours

Compared to ~50 watt-hours for the MBP

I'll say that again. A sub $50 battery pack provides almost double the battery life of the one built into a $1,500 laptop.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by helb on Monday November 07, 2016 @11:08AM (#12892111)
> 15,000 mAh * 5V / 1000 = 75 watt-hours

It would be less, given the (dis)charging efficiency. Quick look at search results suggests about 80% (so ~60Wh), which is still nice for that price though.

Re:MacBook Pro is a lie by monkmartinez on Monday November 07, 2016 @10:10AM (#12891602)
You'll need dongles for 2 of the 6 positives you mentioned. :\