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Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by omginternets on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:08PM (#12857001)
I dislike holocaust-deniers as much as the next guy, but I find it troubling that one's political opinions should prevent us from considering a person's work in a distinct domain. This is especially true in the present case: I see no evidence that PJB has crossed the Hitler stream with the common lisp stream.

People can be smart and respectable in one domain and stupid in another.

Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by anon4711 on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @04:57PM (#12859200)
A person can be smart in one domain and stupid in another, so much is clear (think Grothendieck in maths and politics)

But a person cannot be both respectable and disrespectable at the same time, I find, although I'm afraid now we might be disagreeing rather about words than ideas. Respectability, to me, is a compliment to somebody's set of values.

Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by omginternets on Thursday November 03, 2016 @01:47PM (#12866214)
I agree, but the point was rather about censorship.

I find it troubling that we should censor (explicitly or otherwise) someone on accounts of his respectability. I find this especially true when the source of disrespectability stems from an unrelated topic.

Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by Retra on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @07:16PM (#12860267)
On the other hand, the influence that people have tends to be blind to how they previously acquired that influence. It's a very common problem in politics: you put power on someone due to their credentials in one area, and they suddenly have power they don't deserve in a completely different domain.
Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by ricksplat on Thursday November 03, 2016 @05:39AM (#12862571)
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V7me25aNtI

Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by omginternets on Thursday November 03, 2016 @01:45PM (#12866199)
That's totally missing the point.

We can both condemn the stupid/wrong behavior and celebrate the intellectual achievements. The point is that we shouldn't hold back our praise of the latter on account of the former.

This is a typical false-dichotomy that plagues contemporary discourse around social justice and various *isms.

Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by ricksplat on Thursday November 03, 2016 @03:55PM (#12867376)
I don't agree. Many wouldn't.
Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by omginternets on Thursday November 03, 2016 @08:56PM (#12869554)
Hardly an argument, though.

If we abided by your reasoning, the US wouldn't have a space program.

Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by ricksplat on Friday November 04, 2016 @02:06AM (#12870677)
What's there to argue about? You think you're right and I think you're wrong.
Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by oldmanjay on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:59PM (#12857537)
This is especially important to keep in mind because there is no way to shun a person and change their mind on the opinion that led to their shunning. Only engagement does that.
Re:Emacs standing alone on a Linux Kernel (2004) by anon4711 on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @05:04PM (#12859255)
There are two sides to this and I think they're important to distinguish: If the person in question was wrongfully accused, this could do undeserved damage to him. This would be a misfortune (albeit not a great one given how little activity my comment generated) but I'm currently sufficiently convinced this won't happen that I went ahead and posted the comment.

The other matter is rehabilitation. Whether he should be allowed to apologise at some point, say that he made a mistake, and be welcomed back, is something that you cannot decide for everyone. It's up to your personal beliefs, in particular your religion. Everybody needs to determine that for him- or herself, in my opinion.