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Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by loup-vaillant on Thursday April 22, 2010 @11:52AM (#1285417)
> Facebook knows more than all of us like to admit about its users. They have our personal information […]

People will eventually realize what a dystopia this is. So my guess is that Facebook (and similar services) will become obsolete soon (within a decade or two). Just sell easy to use personal web servers[1] that you just plug into the wall, and they are toast ($99 is much cheaper than my privacy).

[1] By "easy", I mean esier than Facebook itself. By "personal", I mean at home (virtual private hosting is not personal).

Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by JeremyBanks on Thursday April 22, 2010 @11:58AM (#1285439)
> $99 is much cheaper than my privacy

To you and many of us certainly, but do you really think that's true of the average user? Especially given the tradeoffs (most residential internet connections would be terribly slow and unreliable for such a purpose) it seems very unlikely that the average person, who has only the vaguest understanding of technology and probably hasn't given much thought to their privacy, would be enthusiastic enough about this idea for it to take off.

Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by loup-vaillant on Friday April 23, 2010 @04:33AM (#1287600)
Fixing the asymmetry of our internet connections will require political effort. But we don't need the reliability. We already know how to make suitable backups, like fall-back MX.

"Average user" mostly means "clueless user". This is unacceptable. Everyone should know a minimum, like the difference between a web browser and a search engine. When they do, they will easily see the privacy problems.

I agree $99 is too much for most people. But this is only the current price of a Sheeva plug. I think we can eventually lower it down to $30, which would be more like it.

We have both the hardware and the software. Packaging the whole only takes a dedicated GNU/Linux distribution (or even just a meta-package). So, without the political and teaching issues, Facebook and Gmail could be made obsolete within the year. With them, we'll need a decade. But, to quote Eben Moglen: "It's not that it can't be done".

Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by dasil003 on Thursday April 22, 2010 @12:19PM (#1285503)
That's a nice utopian vision from someone aware of our eroding privacy, but the only way the average consumer would care enough about privacy for that to be viable in the market would be for Facebook's data to grow a couple orders of magnitude more comprehensive then it is now over the next decade. Then if the US government were replaced by east-german style totalitarian regime to the point that violent revolution was eventually necessary, then, at that point people would be ready for their own private hosted service appliances.
Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by loup-vaillant on Friday April 23, 2010 @04:51AM (#1287615)
Do you have any Idea of the current comprehensiveness of the data they have? Do I have to remind you how they use it? Facebook is already spying it's users (for censoring and commercial purposes), and Google do semantic analysis of your e-mail (to send you ads).

So I don't think we need a totalitarian regime for people to realize they might want a personal server. It just takes a little teaching. Personally, as soon as I have a provider which let me send mail on my own, I will buy one.

Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by dasil003 on Saturday April 24, 2010 @02:04AM (#1290453)
Do you have any Idea of the current comprehensiveness of the data they have?

Yes.

It just takes a little teaching

Sadly, no.

Re:Is Facebook the new Internet and how soon before Microsof... by loup-vaillant on Saturday April 24, 2010 @04:58PM (#1291555)
Well, I don't expect the "little teaching" to take less than 10 years. Yet what I think of is still relatively little: crude definitions of a computer, a program, a network, a browser and a web site, a search engine, a mail client and a mail server; and then a little feel about what computers can remember, with an emphasis on catastrophic scenarios, like with the browser history. I think it can be done in 10, maybe 20 hours per persons, assuming a competent teacher.

So: am I asking too much? Do we need even more than that (except a 30 buck, very easy to use, low power server)?