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Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by stale2002 on Monday October 31, 2016 @08:49PM (#12842458)
Well, maybe the reason is that these regulator requests costs tons of money to fulfill because no, you cannot you give simple laymans answers to the questions, you need a team of lawyers to do this work, because everything you say in these "simple" requests can and will be used against you.

And perhaps there are better uses of their time, and better regulatory environments where they can release their product.

Maybe in a couple months we are going to hear about the imminent release of the Comma Two in Not-America. I seriously doubt they've gone home. There are tons of places where they could starting selling right NOW.

America's loss, other countries' gain.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by EpicEng on Monday October 31, 2016 @08:52PM (#12842473)
>Well, maybe the reason is that these regulator requests costs tons of money to fulfill because no, you cannot you give simple laymans answers to the questions, you need a team of lawyers to do this work, because everything you say in these "simple" requests can and will be used against you

No, what you need is to have followed a sufficient quality process to begin with. Lawyers aren't involved heavily in this sort of thing; your quality group is (well, it may take more lawyering for them at this point.)

This guy obviously didn't have a clue when he set out to build this thing and now his ignorance is biting him in the ass. I've worked on FDA regulated devices my entire career. You don't get to just throw things that represent a substantial safety risk onto the market without oversight, and that's a good thing.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by dpark on Monday October 31, 2016 @10:57PM (#12843027)
> Maybe in a couple months we are going to hear about the imminent release of the Comma Two in Not-America. I seriously doubt they've gone home. There are tons of places where they could starting selling right NOW.

Then I'm very thankful for the NHTSA we have in America. I don't want a bunch of half-ass, poorly-engineered self-driving cars on our roads. I use those roads, and so do my family members.

While I'm looking forward to self-driving cars taking over, I don't want the Comma One in the field if they can't handle the most basic safety inquiries.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by exergy on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @06:34AM (#12844558)
The guy that you're replying to seems to have no idea how these things work. I worked for an automotive manufacturer in India (hardly a paragon of virtue in terms of regulatory strictness), and we had rules about even seemingly-inane stuff like the HVAC being able to cool the car down in a certain amount of time, and maintain a given temperature overnight on a cold night etc.

You can't just walk in being an arrogant, know-it-all whiz kid and demand that the rules be bent and mere mortals be forced to step aside in deference to your superior intellect.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by stale2002 on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @05:12PM (#12850048)
Nowhere, in the ENTIRE WORLD of 7 BILLION PEOPLE could you release something like this?

It doesn't matter if most people reject your idea, you only need a couple cities to say "approved for preliminary testing for a limited number/couple thousand beta testers" to go into Prod. And then when you go into prod you get real life data and can prove that your product really is as awesome as you say it is, THEN you go back to the countries that said no, but this time with more money and actual facts to back you up.

This isn't some super expensive product that is out of reach for the world. This is a thousand dollar conversion kit. If these things were available and I owned a Honda, I would have bought it to just mess around with it instead of buying the HTC Vive that I got last night.

I am sure there are lots of beta customers around the world who would be interested in getting a prelim beta version.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by AsyncAwait on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @06:56AM (#12844626)
> Then I'm very thankful for the NHTSA we have in America. I don't want a bunch of half-ass, poorly-engineered self-driving cars on our roads. I use those roads, and so do my family members.

That sounds like you think that other countries would allow "a bunch of half-ass, poorly-engineered self-driving cars on our roads"?

As an EU citizen, I can assure you that this is widely off the mark.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by jacquesm on Tuesday November 01, 2016 @08:04AM (#12844952)
I don't think he made any statements about the rest of the world, he just made a statement about his local situation without any implications aimed elsewhere.
Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by AsyncAwait on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @09:46AM (#12854603)
Upon second reading, you're correct, I don't know; the comment sounded off to me, but it shouldn't have and I apologise. (with an upvote at least :-)
Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by tptacek on Monday October 31, 2016 @10:33PM (#12842921)
Daniel Berlin, an attorney with regs experience, on another thread on HN, said: no, you can pretty much just respond to NHTSA with straightforward answers and whatever documentation you have, then arrange a conference with them to figure out what additional documentation you'd need to generate to move forward with your plans.

I don't believe it's the case that Hotz needed to incur six figure legal bills to respond to NHTSA's initial order. He probably could have responded to NHTSA personally, without counsel, and game-theoretically not damaged his potential outcomes at all. He had the option to find out, and threw it away.

Re:The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car In... by Kadin on Monday October 31, 2016 @10:25PM (#12842900)
The request is well within the realm of what anyone who wants to produce a product that could well endanger the lives of a lot of people needs to be able to deal with. It was the very minor ante required in order to play at a very high-stakes table.